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They don't even need to ask for the keys. Pretty much every OS/browser comes with root CAs belonging to the U.S. government (on OS X I see "DoD Root CA 2" and
by tlrobinson 14y ago
They don't even need to ask for the keys.
Pretty much every OS/browser comes with root CAs belonging to the U.S. government (on OS X I see "DoD Root CA 2" and "DoD CLASS 3 Root CA", see also http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4415 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4415). As I understand it, if they wanted to, they could MITM any HTTPS connection by forging a certificate using their root CAs.
This is why people were upset when a root CA for some Chinese government agency was added to certain browsers. We don't trust the Chinese government, but we do trust the US government, I guess.
Of course, if they regularly forged certificates someone would notice. Right?
Which begs the question, how would we notice? If you diligently check certificates for sites you visit you might happen to notice facebook.com's CA suddenly changes from Verisign to the U.S. DoD.
Is there a better way? How can we automatically check that the certificates we get are legitimate?
At a minimum it would be nice if there was a warning when a cert doesn't match a previously seen one (similar to SSH)
I feel like a "web of trust" needs to be layered on top of the certificate authorities to really solve this problem. If 10 of my friends have seen the same certificate for a given website I'm inclined to believe it's legitimate. I'm also likely to trust certain organizations (EFF, etc)
Of course it's also a user interface issue. The average user wouldn't understand a single sentence I wrote above.
- walexander 14y agoJust remove DoD certs from your trust list if you don't want to accept them. This might not be a laymen solution, but it's a very simple procedure in most browsers.
- gasull 14y agoTry Perspectives addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/perspectives/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/perspectives/
- chokma 14y agoAnd Certificate Patrol: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/certificate-patrol/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/certificate-p...
- locusm 14y ago+1 for cert patrol
- tlrobinson 14y agoThanks. Is anyone aware of something like this for Chrome?
- gsai 14y agoWhy would the DoD want to do a MITM on Facebook when Facebook just hands it over when told to do so?
- mnutt 14y agoGoogle is using certificate pinning for Chrome/Gmail, though it's targeted to fix their particular case and not a good general solution. http://blog.chromium.org/2011/06/new-chromium-security-features-june.html http://blog.chromium.org/2011/06/new-chromium-security-featu...