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This is nonsense. Labour have a huge majority, there is no coalition, and their fall from popularity is 100% their own making and largely down to their own left

This is nonsense. Labour have a huge majority, there is no coalition, and their fall from popularity is 100% their own making and largely down to their own left wing policies (increased taxation, lying about it, bungs to unions, increased workers rights) and perceived corruption due to freebies (clothes, glasses). Labour basically ignore the right wing as irrelevant, Reform are only currently a problem for the Conservatives, due to splitting the right vote.

n4r9 2y ago
From a left-wing perspective it does not feel correct to describe Labour policies as enacting "left wing policies". The Winter fuel payments are the biggest example, whilst the two-child cap and the stance on Israel are right up there.
rayiner 2y ago
It’s also a problem for Labour that what’s stopping the right from winning the next election is in-fighting about how far right to go.
- philipwhiuk 2y ago
  No it's not. Left-wing parties got 62% of the vote.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    Liberal democrats, who got 12.2%, aren’t a “left wing party.” They were in a coalition with Tories from 2010-2015. The current leader of the party served in the Cameron government.
stuaxo 2y ago
This version of Labour has been against the left of their own party and trying (unsuccessfully) to court the right. They would call it centrist "practical" "adults in the room" or whatever, while those 'left' behind simply see it as a slide to the right. It looks like they want to be more like the Democrats in the US who are roughly where the UK conservatives used to be before everything shifted rightward. (Of course left/right is a simplification we can substitute ordinary folk vs vested interests).
- philipwhiuk 2y ago
  The Democrats in the US are still to the right of the Tories in the UK. Your analogy is fatally flawed. Ask a Democrat where they stand on gun control. Ask a Tory. Ask a Democrat where they stand on nationalisation of George Washington University Hospital. Ask a Tory where they stand on the privatisation of St Thomas' Hospital.

n4r9 2y ago

From a left-wing perspective it does not feel correct to describe Labour policies as enacting "left wing policies". The Winter fuel payments are the biggest example, whilst the two-child cap and the stance on Israel are right up there.

rayiner 2y ago

It’s also a problem for Labour that what’s stopping the right from winning the next election is in-fighting about how far right to go.

philipwhiuk 2y ago
No it's not. Left-wing parties got 62% of the vote.
- rayiner 2y ago
  Liberal democrats, who got 12.2%, aren’t a “left wing party.” They were in a coalition with Tories from 2010-2015. The current leader of the party served in the Cameron government.

stuaxo 2y ago

This version of Labour has been against the left of their own party and trying (unsuccessfully) to court the right. They would call it centrist "practical" "adults in the room" or whatever, while those 'left' behind simply see it as a slide to the right. It looks like they want to be more like the Democrats in the US who are roughly where the UK conservatives used to be before everything shifted rightward. (Of course left/right is a simplification we can substitute ordinary folk vs vested interests).

philipwhiuk 2y ago
The Democrats in the US are still to the right of the Tories in the UK. Your analogy is fatally flawed. Ask a Democrat where they stand on gun control. Ask a Tory. Ask a Democrat where they stand on nationalisation of George Washington University Hospital. Ask a Tory where they stand on the privatisation of St Thomas' Hospital.