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> Show them one shot from a cheap modern mirrorless and the smartphone is over for them IME this only lasts up to the point they have to lug that brick with th

> Show them one shot from a cheap modern mirrorless and the smartphone is over for them IME this only lasts up to the point they have to lug that brick with them. Don't get me wrong, I'm firmly in the "my 8 yo m4/3 kit wipes the floor with any phone it's not even funny". Which is all the more the case for a modern FF kit. But even my tiny Olympus is huge compared to my iPhone. Only my winter coat with fat pockets can fit it. It otherwise needs an actual bag (might work with some women's purses, I don't usually carry anything at all). Guess which one I have 100% of the time with me? I've found that the iPhone in hand while outside takes 100% better pictures than the Olympus kit in the drawer at home. It's always a question of compromise. Before my Olympus gear, I used to love my FF Canon gear. Built like tanks. Until it got old carrying all that junk around, and it started gathering dust somewhere. Now I'm happy with m4/3 when I'm relatively serious about my photography, and I'm happy enough with what my iPhone produces when I only feel like having a pair of jeans and a shirt on. Would a new Sony something-or-other wipe the floor with the Olympus? Possibly. Enough for me to lug it around? No way.

gazchop 2y ago
No one seems to care about carrying another brick around on top of the 11 pairs of shoes. The new stuff doesn't weigh a lot. It's not FF bricks any more. Nikon stuff is mostly magnesium and plastic.
- rscrawfo 2y ago
  When you’re just running out the door with your kids it’s hard to pick up the full frame behemoth. I’ve been considering a m43 for that reason.
  - gazchop 2y ago
    Yeah. I’ve got three kids.
- vladvasiliu 2y ago
  I don't get the reference for the 11 pairs of shoes. I haven't handled new Nikon stuff (the last body I touched was a D80 a long time ago). But I doubt it's smaller and lighter than my olympus with a prime [0]. More power to you if you're OK carrying your kit, it means this works for you, which is absolutely great! But, be that is it may, take a look around you. How many people do you see on any given day taking pictures with actual cameras, whatever the format? I live in Paris, a city flooded with tourists, whom you'd expect to be more likely to put up with carrying a somewhat inconvenient camera in exchange for better pictures. I can count on the fingers of one hand the people I've seen taking pictures with actual cameras in the last few months. And I walk or bike to/from work, along one of the most picturesque parts of the city. However, you can see people taking pictures with their phones all day, everyday. --- [0] Some of the bodies are actually surprisingly small. A sony A7C2 is "only" twice as thick as my Pen-F, the other dimensions being similar. But the body itself is useless without a lens. And while wide-angle offerings seem somewhat similar (though there's no equivalent to the 8-25/4), the tele end is much larger, even comparing a variable aperture to a fixed f/4 offering from Olympus. And primes are an absolute joke if size matters.
ghaff 2y ago
It's been ages since I've used my FF Canon system which is a couple generations old at this point. At some point, I'll have to make a call on my APS-C mirrorless Fujifilm which I've left at home on a couple trips now where I would always have brought a standalone camera in the past. Unfortunately they haven't replaced the exact form factor I really like and the camera is getting pretty long in the tooth about now.

gazchop 2y ago

No one seems to care about carrying another brick around on top of the 11 pairs of shoes. The new stuff doesn't weigh a lot. It's not FF bricks any more. Nikon stuff is mostly magnesium and plastic.

rscrawfo 2y ago
When you’re just running out the door with your kids it’s hard to pick up the full frame behemoth. I’ve been considering a m43 for that reason.
- gazchop 2y ago
  Yeah. I’ve got three kids.
vladvasiliu 2y ago
I don't get the reference for the 11 pairs of shoes. I haven't handled new Nikon stuff (the last body I touched was a D80 a long time ago). But I doubt it's smaller and lighter than my olympus with a prime [0]. More power to you if you're OK carrying your kit, it means this works for you, which is absolutely great! But, be that is it may, take a look around you. How many people do you see on any given day taking pictures with actual cameras, whatever the format? I live in Paris, a city flooded with tourists, whom you'd expect to be more likely to put up with carrying a somewhat inconvenient camera in exchange for better pictures. I can count on the fingers of one hand the people I've seen taking pictures with actual cameras in the last few months. And I walk or bike to/from work, along one of the most picturesque parts of the city. However, you can see people taking pictures with their phones all day, everyday. --- [0] Some of the bodies are actually surprisingly small. A sony A7C2 is "only" twice as thick as my Pen-F, the other dimensions being similar. But the body itself is useless without a lens. And while wide-angle offerings seem somewhat similar (though there's no equivalent to the 8-25/4), the tele end is much larger, even comparing a variable aperture to a fixed f/4 offering from Olympus. And primes are an absolute joke if size matters.

ghaff 2y ago

It's been ages since I've used my FF Canon system which is a couple generations old at this point. At some point, I'll have to make a call on my APS-C mirrorless Fujifilm which I've left at home on a couple trips now where I would always have brought a standalone camera in the past. Unfortunately they haven't replaced the exact form factor I really like and the camera is getting pretty long in the tooth about now.