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Exactly. Immigration is largely a symptom of declining birth rates. If the birth rate is above replacement, guess what, no immigrants needed!

3vidence 2y ago
If that is the case why is Canadas population expanding almost faster than ever recorded??? You would think to combat birthdates you would increase immigration to an appropriate level not 10x it in 5 years. Secondly immigration has a complicated affect on demographics since the people coming are generally 21 or older which is very clearly different than a birth which starts at 0 years old
- gruez 2y ago
  >If that is the case why is Canadas population expanding almost faster than ever recorded??? ...because of immigration? Birth rates have been far below replacement for decades now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Total_Fertility_Rate_of_Canada_from_1861_to_2016.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Total_Fertility_Rate_of_C...
  - 3vidence 2y ago
    I don't think 10x your immigrant population in 2 years is demographically the same as a natural population growth over 10 years. They result in 2 very different distributions. One having a very large segment of the population in one specific age category. Which also puts a lot of pressure on systems / infrastructure that is relevant to that category.
remarkEon 2y ago
You don't need immigrants either way. The idea that a country must import more immigrants because birthrates are not increasing or are below replacement is just "number go up" economics. It's the same trite and annoying arguments that some Bitcoin boosters make (the ones who don't actually understand the underlying technology, there's a parallel there). Japan, for one example, isn't going to collapse. Or should they import 50M immigrants from across the planet to make sure the numbers in the spreadsheets go up?
- fzeroracer 2y ago
  Japan has been going through multiple smaller crisis's as a result of their population problems. Because (and this might surprise you): the elderly need specialized care and that specialized care needs to come from somewhere. That's why Japan has been bringing in nurses and caretakers from abroad en masse. Unless you want to make the argument that past a certain point they should just be left to die, but given that often the people that vote the most were elderly, well...
  - remarkEon 2y ago
    Are Japanese people incapable of learning the skills for these so-called specialized care roles?

3vidence 2y ago

If that is the case why is Canadas population expanding almost faster than ever recorded??? You would think to combat birthdates you would increase immigration to an appropriate level not 10x it in 5 years. Secondly immigration has a complicated affect on demographics since the people coming are generally 21 or older which is very clearly different than a birth which starts at 0 years old

gruez 2y ago
>If that is the case why is Canadas population expanding almost faster than ever recorded??? ...because of immigration? Birth rates have been far below replacement for decades now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Total_Fertility_Rate_of_Canada_from_1861_to_2016.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Total_Fertility_Rate_of_C...
- 3vidence 2y ago
  I don't think 10x your immigrant population in 2 years is demographically the same as a natural population growth over 10 years. They result in 2 very different distributions. One having a very large segment of the population in one specific age category. Which also puts a lot of pressure on systems / infrastructure that is relevant to that category.

remarkEon 2y ago

You don't need immigrants either way. The idea that a country must import more immigrants because birthrates are not increasing or are below replacement is just "number go up" economics. It's the same trite and annoying arguments that some Bitcoin boosters make (the ones who don't actually understand the underlying technology, there's a parallel there). Japan, for one example, isn't going to collapse. Or should they import 50M immigrants from across the planet to make sure the numbers in the spreadsheets go up?

fzeroracer 2y ago
Japan has been going through multiple smaller crisis's as a result of their population problems. Because (and this might surprise you): the elderly need specialized care and that specialized care needs to come from somewhere. That's why Japan has been bringing in nurses and caretakers from abroad en masse. Unless you want to make the argument that past a certain point they should just be left to die, but given that often the people that vote the most were elderly, well...
- remarkEon 2y ago
  Are Japanese people incapable of learning the skills for these so-called specialized care roles?