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This is presented as revolutionary, but it’s not clear to me that the results would’ve been any different if they’d surveyed the older generations at the same a

by jrmg 2y ago

This is presented as revolutionary, but it’s not clear to me that the results would’ve been any different if they’d surveyed the older generations at the same age.

cjbgkagh 2y ago
Reminds me of an Onion Skit from 16 years ago; Youths don’t want to participate in office politics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHm7-Z4spHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHm7-Z4spHw
Over2Chars 2y ago
The middle manager, by some corporate career paths, is the top of the IC food chain. Ergo managers are usually paid better than the top IC. This is, of course, stupidity at it's finest, draining top IC talent into PHB mediocrity. A few companies don't do this, they are the smarter ones. My impression is that this is not typical.
- roughly 2y ago
  > managers are usually paid better than the top IC This has not been my experience most places I’ve worked - you’ve gotta get a couple rungs up the management ladder (director or such) before the pay scale gets above staff and sr staff. (It’s how we wound up with a few people at a previous gig managing teams as staff engineers - they didn’t want to take the pay cut for the title.)
WantonQuantum 2y ago
I started as a developer at the age of 21 and in the next few years moved up a few levels until I wasn't developing any more. I decided I didn't like it and so left the company for a dev role somewhere else. Same thing happened again until I realised that I just want to be a dev. I'm 52 now and loving being a dev.
- datavirtue 2y ago
  Getting some level of management and learning there is no authority of responsibility given to the role. It's just another type of task handler. The disillusionment is common when people crave responsibility and realize it isn't forthcoming. Had you been granted the authority to oversee a critical responsibility/project/initiative you might have been imbued. It's very exciting, like a drug, to be given responsibility for which you know that you are immediately shit canned (by your friends no less) if it doesn't go well or rewarded handsomely if you get it over the finish line. You have to hold key peoples' (founders/investors/executives) trust to get those roles because your success/failure ripples into them right quick.
sanderjd 2y ago
Yep. Any time I see an article that is "generation ___ thinks / does ___", my first smell test is whether the headline could just be "young people think / do ___". This one fails that smell test, as most do.
hinkley 2y ago
Agreed. 52% sounds an awful lot like a normal distribution.

by jrmg 2y ago

This is presented as revolutionary, but it’s not clear to me that the results would’ve been any different if they’d surveyed the older generations at the same age.

cjbgkagh 2y ago

Reminds me of an Onion Skit from 16 years ago; Youths don’t want to participate in office politics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHm7-Z4spHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHm7-Z4spHw

Over2Chars 2y ago

The middle manager, by some corporate career paths, is the top of the IC food chain. Ergo managers are usually paid better than the top IC. This is, of course, stupidity at it's finest, draining top IC talent into PHB mediocrity. A few companies don't do this, they are the smarter ones. My impression is that this is not typical.

roughly 2y ago
> managers are usually paid better than the top IC This has not been my experience most places I’ve worked - you’ve gotta get a couple rungs up the management ladder (director or such) before the pay scale gets above staff and sr staff. (It’s how we wound up with a few people at a previous gig managing teams as staff engineers - they didn’t want to take the pay cut for the title.)

WantonQuantum 2y ago

I started as a developer at the age of 21 and in the next few years moved up a few levels until I wasn't developing any more. I decided I didn't like it and so left the company for a dev role somewhere else. Same thing happened again until I realised that I just want to be a dev. I'm 52 now and loving being a dev.

datavirtue 2y ago
Getting some level of management and learning there is no authority of responsibility given to the role. It's just another type of task handler. The disillusionment is common when people crave responsibility and realize it isn't forthcoming. Had you been granted the authority to oversee a critical responsibility/project/initiative you might have been imbued. It's very exciting, like a drug, to be given responsibility for which you know that you are immediately shit canned (by your friends no less) if it doesn't go well or rewarded handsomely if you get it over the finish line. You have to hold key peoples' (founders/investors/executives) trust to get those roles because your success/failure ripples into them right quick.

sanderjd 2y ago

Yep. Any time I see an article that is "generation ___ thinks / does ___", my first smell test is whether the headline could just be "young people think / do ___". This one fails that smell test, as most do.

hinkley 2y ago

Agreed. 52% sounds an awful lot like a normal distribution.