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Lots of Europe has ethnic strife and tensions. Bosnian / Serbian. Czech / Slovak (until recently). Spain has its breakaway ethnic movements. Ireland like others

by aprilthird2021 2y ago

Lots of Europe has ethnic strife and tensions. Bosnian / Serbian. Czech / Slovak (until recently). Spain has its breakaway ethnic movements. Ireland like others mentioned is a close analogue.

genman 2y ago
Nothing like that is even by slightest similar to indigenous people of Canada. Nothing. Also while Canada my want people, so does EU.
- KPGv2 2y ago
  The English colonized, ruled, and conducted a deliberate genocide against the Irish people. It's pretty analogous. The English starved them to death. The English forcibly displaced them. The English stole their resources. The English even forbade them from speaking their language.
  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    And about 100 years ago, the Irish rebelled and won their independence from England. And those that didn't are no longer being treated this way, and haven't been for more than 50 years. So what exactly should the English learn from Canadians today? Even the Irish in Northern Ireland have more freedom and autonomy than the First Nations have in Canada, not less.
    - genman 2y ago
      Not to mention that UK doesn't even belong to EU for a quite considerable time for a random person to take a bloody notice.
      - KPGv2 2y ago
        Ireland does, though, and is it conceivable that a victim might also learn from Canada's mistakes?
        tsimionescu 2y ago
        The articles was praising Canada's treatment of the First Nations as a thing that EU countries should learn from, not mistakes to learn from.
        genman 2y ago
        The level of ignorance of some people here is astonishing.
tsimionescu 2y ago
Bosnia, Serbia, Slovakia, and the Czech Republic are all separate countries today. Of course, not all Bosnians, Serbs, Slovak, and Czechs live in the respective nation states, and there is still strife. But I still fail to grasp what, say, the Czech Republic could learn about how to treat its Slovak minority from how Canada trays its First Nations minorities. Should different Slovak communities in the Czech Republic have their own lands and make their own laws? What if they're living in the same village as Czechs, how will they split the territory there? There is simply no valid comparison between how populations in Europe live and have developed up to today, and how things sit in Canada with the First Nations. And note, the Basque country in Spain is already an autonomous region with significant ability to do its own governance. The Basques there have been practicing their own traditions and using their own language since the fascist dictatorship fell. The Catalans of Catalunya (one of the richest regions of Spain, mind you) also speak their own language and are not in any other way culturally suppressed, again, since the fascist dictatorship fell. The reason for their struggle for independence is mostly their perception that they are being dragged down economically by the poorer parts of Spain (i.e. the strictly Spanish-speaking South).
- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  From reading the article, it is about reconciliation. Canada makes a lot of public official gestures to the people who suffered at the hands of the government. Such overtures could help in European countries where ethnic strife still exists.
  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    That would make sense, indeed. It's true that a lot of European countries have a great deal of difficulty in admitting to their past crimes very loudly, even if they technically do recognize them officially.
ashoeafoot 2y ago
and pushing for division and strife is what putin pays you for
- Sabinus 2y ago
  On the topic of Russian agitation about Western oppression, imagine all the quiet repression of the minority ethnicities in Russia. Russian spending on 'internal security' is legendary.

Lots of Europe has ethnic strife and tensions. Bosnian / Serbian. Czech / Slovak (until recently). Spain has its breakaway ethnic movements. Ireland like others mentioned is a close analogue.

genman 2y ago

Nothing like that is even by slightest similar to indigenous people of Canada. Nothing. Also while Canada my want people, so does EU.

KPGv2 2y ago
The English colonized, ruled, and conducted a deliberate genocide against the Irish people. It's pretty analogous. The English starved them to death. The English forcibly displaced them. The English stole their resources. The English even forbade them from speaking their language.
- tsimionescu 2y ago
  And about 100 years ago, the Irish rebelled and won their independence from England. And those that didn't are no longer being treated this way, and haven't been for more than 50 years. So what exactly should the English learn from Canadians today? Even the Irish in Northern Ireland have more freedom and autonomy than the First Nations have in Canada, not less.
  - genman 2y ago
    Not to mention that UK doesn't even belong to EU for a quite considerable time for a random person to take a bloody notice.
    - KPGv2 2y ago
      Ireland does, though, and is it conceivable that a victim might also learn from Canada's mistakes?
      - tsimionescu 2y ago
        The articles was praising Canada's treatment of the First Nations as a thing that EU countries should learn from, not mistakes to learn from.
      - genman 2y ago
        The level of ignorance of some people here is astonishing.

tsimionescu 2y ago

Bosnia, Serbia, Slovakia, and the Czech Republic are all separate countries today. Of course, not all Bosnians, Serbs, Slovak, and Czechs live in the respective nation states, and there is still strife. But I still fail to grasp what, say, the Czech Republic could learn about how to treat its Slovak minority from how Canada trays its First Nations minorities. Should different Slovak communities in the Czech Republic have their own lands and make their own laws? What if they're living in the same village as Czechs, how will they split the territory there? There is simply no valid comparison between how populations in Europe live and have developed up to today, and how things sit in Canada with the First Nations. And note, the Basque country in Spain is already an autonomous region with significant ability to do its own governance. The Basques there have been practicing their own traditions and using their own language since the fascist dictatorship fell. The Catalans of Catalunya (one of the richest regions of Spain, mind you) also speak their own language and are not in any other way culturally suppressed, again, since the fascist dictatorship fell. The reason for their struggle for independence is mostly their perception that they are being dragged down economically by the poorer parts of Spain (i.e. the strictly Spanish-speaking South).

aprilthird2021 2y ago
From reading the article, it is about reconciliation. Canada makes a lot of public official gestures to the people who suffered at the hands of the government. Such overtures could help in European countries where ethnic strife still exists.
- tsimionescu 2y ago
  That would make sense, indeed. It's true that a lot of European countries have a great deal of difficulty in admitting to their past crimes very loudly, even if they technically do recognize them officially.

ashoeafoot 2y ago

and pushing for division and strife is what putin pays you for

Sabinus 2y ago
On the topic of Russian agitation about Western oppression, imagine all the quiet repression of the minority ethnicities in Russia. Russian spending on 'internal security' is legendary.