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It's ironic that they are attempting to open source a model from "OpenAI".

by fuddle 2y ago

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mikkom 2y ago
"Open"ai really should change their name
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FanaHOVA 2y ago
I wish HN would stop devolving into Reddit. This comment is the same boring "joke" that has been repeated 100 times on every platform, and keeps being posted for karma. It adds nothing to the conversation.
- veggieroll 2y ago
  > Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. [0] But also, if you want people to stop mocking "Open" AI, then maybe they should stop being such a mockable caricature of themselves. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - FanaHOVA 2y ago
    If you joined 8 months ago it might be hard to recognize. I've been on HN for more than a decade and the quality of discourse has drastically lowered in quality especially in the last 3-4 years. This is a problem with the broader web, not just HN. Tech / startups is now a mainstream topic that attracts a lot of people who are not really in the weeds and are just able to write surface level comments. Regarding the name, open is just a word. Apple doesn't sell apples. The company never promised to open source every model, only to make them accessible to the public, so you're arguing semantics that lead to no improvement in the technical conversation.
- WiSaGaN 2y ago
  I think it adds correct incentive to the public discourse so that you don't do bait and switch against public good will.
- kristjansson 2y ago
  100% agree. If you’ve been here for any length of time you’ve seen it, and nothing is added by the repetition. Perhaps we should just string-sub to IAnepO or some such, so we can engage with the models and company as it is, without dealing with the (empty) semantics of the name.
echelon 2y ago
There is no moat for OpenAI. They spent a lot of money to find a lot of shallow gradients. Everyone else can climb those same gradients by putting in a little bit of money. Every single funded vertical and research org is proving this. Players in third place and below are incentivized to release their weights to develop an ecosystem around them. Meta and Tencent get to ensure the technology doesn't evolve beyond them by commoditizing their compliment and releasing stuff like Llama and Hunyuan for free. Furthermore, OpenAI hasn't stumbled across a defensible moat. There's zero switching cost to move to another product, and they don't control any major panes of glass to stay as a default. If OpenAI doesn't find a moat soon, they're gonna be cooked. The value of foundation models will plummet.
- bugglebeetle 2y ago
  They won’t because they drove away all their actually talent to Anthropic and elsewhere in pursuit of the dumbest version of SV product dev and are now forced to do benchmark hacking in a paper thin ruse to convince the market they still have the talent to compete. The o1 series models are unusable in practice while Claude and the new MCP protocol work is becoming the basis of a bunch of actually functional applications.
pizza 2y ago
open, perhaps, in the sense of an open set

It's ironic that they are attempting to open source a model from "OpenAI".

by fuddle 2y ago

It's ironic that they are attempting to open source a model from "OpenAI".

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mikkom 2y ago

"Open"ai really should change their name

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FanaHOVA 2y ago

I wish HN would stop devolving into Reddit. This comment is the same boring "joke" that has been repeated 100 times on every platform, and keeps being posted for karma. It adds nothing to the conversation.

veggieroll 2y ago
> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. [0] But also, if you want people to stop mocking "Open" AI, then maybe they should stop being such a mockable caricature of themselves. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- FanaHOVA 2y ago
  If you joined 8 months ago it might be hard to recognize. I've been on HN for more than a decade and the quality of discourse has drastically lowered in quality especially in the last 3-4 years. This is a problem with the broader web, not just HN. Tech / startups is now a mainstream topic that attracts a lot of people who are not really in the weeds and are just able to write surface level comments. Regarding the name, open is just a word. Apple doesn't sell apples. The company never promised to open source every model, only to make them accessible to the public, so you're arguing semantics that lead to no improvement in the technical conversation.
WiSaGaN 2y ago
I think it adds correct incentive to the public discourse so that you don't do bait and switch against public good will.
kristjansson 2y ago
100% agree. If you’ve been here for any length of time you’ve seen it, and nothing is added by the repetition. Perhaps we should just string-sub to IAnepO or some such, so we can engage with the models and company as it is, without dealing with the (empty) semantics of the name.

echelon 2y ago

There is no moat for OpenAI. They spent a lot of money to find a lot of shallow gradients. Everyone else can climb those same gradients by putting in a little bit of money. Every single funded vertical and research org is proving this. Players in third place and below are incentivized to release their weights to develop an ecosystem around them. Meta and Tencent get to ensure the technology doesn't evolve beyond them by commoditizing their compliment and releasing stuff like Llama and Hunyuan for free. Furthermore, OpenAI hasn't stumbled across a defensible moat. There's zero switching cost to move to another product, and they don't control any major panes of glass to stay as a default. If OpenAI doesn't find a moat soon, they're gonna be cooked. The value of foundation models will plummet.

bugglebeetle 2y ago
They won’t because they drove away all their actually talent to Anthropic and elsewhere in pursuit of the dumbest version of SV product dev and are now forced to do benchmark hacking in a paper thin ruse to convince the market they still have the talent to compete. The o1 series models are unusable in practice while Claude and the new MCP protocol work is becoming the basis of a bunch of actually functional applications.

pizza 2y ago

open, perhaps, in the sense of an open set