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There are virtually no limits (for Mandelbrot and computing in general) because there are few limits on the growth of knowledge [5]. In a few decades we will h

There are virtually no limits (for Mandelbrot and computing in general) because there are few limits on the growth of knowledge [5]. In a few decades we will have learned to take CO2 (carbon dioxide) molecules out of the air [4] and rearrange the carbon atoms in 3D structures atom by atom [6]. We will be able to grow the transistors and the solar cells virtually for free. Energy will be virtually free, a squandrable abundance of free and clean energy [2]. At that point we will start automatically self-assembling Dyson Swarms constructions of solar cells with transistors on the back [1] on the Quebibyte scale to capture all the solar output of the sun [3] and get near-infinite compute for free. We would finally be able to explore the Mandelbrot space at full depth within our lifetime. [1] https://gwern.net/doc/ai/scaling/hardware/1999-bradbury-matrioshkabrains.pdf https://gwern.net/doc/ai/scaling/hardware/1999-bradbury-matr... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrioshka_brain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrioshka_brain [2] Bob Metcalfe Ethernet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axfsqdpHVFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axfsqdpHVFU [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale [4] Richard Feynman Plenty of Room at the Bottom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_Plenty_of_Room_at_the_Bottom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_Plenty_of_Room_at_th... [5] David Deutsch: Chemical scum that dream of distant quasars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQliI_WGaGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQliI_WGaGk [6] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spr5PWiuRaY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spr5PWiuRaY and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ebzezSV6s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ebzezSV6s

LargoLasskhyfv 2y ago
I'd rather prefer to pursue the path of producing potent phytochemicals to unleash perfect psionic powers, thereby shortcutting the need for all these boring physical procedures, instead persisting mind over matter as an afterthought.
fluoridation 2y ago
LOL. >We would finally be able to explore the Mandelbrot space at full depth What does that mean? The Mandelbrot set is infinitely intricate.
mikestorrent 2y ago
This is the future I want to live in. Bountiful cheap energy is much more attractive than the futures most people write about now, that vary between some sort of managed decline, dystopianism, or other negativity. I hope to see you or your faithful recreation in the Matrioskha brain one day.
- morphle 2y ago
  > I hope to see you or your faithful recreation in the Matrioskha brain one day. That where my earliest thoughts, 11 years old, that got me into computing: upload my brain into a Matrioskha brain or at least study the human brain by building a supercomputer to simulate it. I'm still working on building cheaper supercomputers and cheaper clean energy 50 years later. Deep zoom Mandel calculations are still a good benchmark to measure my progress. Three Sci-Fi stories that describe faithful recreation of a human in a computer [1][2][3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Annals_of_the_Heechee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Annals_of_the_Heechee and the last part of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heechee_Rendezvous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heechee_Rendezvous [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3001:_The_Final_Odyssey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3001:_The_Final_Odyssey
- morphle 2y ago
  >Bountiful cheap energy is much more attractive than the futures most people write about A squandrable abundance of free and clean energy means we solve the climate change and sixth mass-extinction crises in the next few years! It should be the only future we fund today. Just cheaper solar cells would do that. No new inventions needed. Cheap clean energy is the most important next step for humanities survival. It will only cost 100 million, maybe a few hundred million dollars at most [1]. It also means we would get a money free economy as depicted in Star Trek The Next Generation. Even interstellar travel by solar laser and solar sail would become possible if energy is nearly free. [1] Alan Kay, How? When “What Will It Take?” Seems Beyond Possible, We Need To Study How Immense Challenges Have Been Successfully Dealt With In The Past https://internetat50.com/references/Kay_How.pdf https://internetat50.com/references/Kay_How.pdf
SideQuark 2y ago
There are fundamental physical limits to information density and computing power, which will limit growth of knowledge.

LargoLasskhyfv 2y ago

I'd rather prefer to pursue the path of producing potent phytochemicals to unleash perfect psionic powers, thereby shortcutting the need for all these boring physical procedures, instead persisting mind over matter as an afterthought.

fluoridation 2y ago

LOL. >We would finally be able to explore the Mandelbrot space at full depth What does that mean? The Mandelbrot set is infinitely intricate.

mikestorrent 2y ago

This is the future I want to live in. Bountiful cheap energy is much more attractive than the futures most people write about now, that vary between some sort of managed decline, dystopianism, or other negativity. I hope to see you or your faithful recreation in the Matrioskha brain one day.

morphle 2y ago
> I hope to see you or your faithful recreation in the Matrioskha brain one day. That where my earliest thoughts, 11 years old, that got me into computing: upload my brain into a Matrioskha brain or at least study the human brain by building a supercomputer to simulate it. I'm still working on building cheaper supercomputers and cheaper clean energy 50 years later. Deep zoom Mandel calculations are still a good benchmark to measure my progress. Three Sci-Fi stories that describe faithful recreation of a human in a computer [1][2][3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Annals_of_the_Heechee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Annals_of_the_Heechee and the last part of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heechee_Rendezvous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heechee_Rendezvous [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3001:_The_Final_Odyssey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3001:_The_Final_Odyssey
morphle 2y ago
>Bountiful cheap energy is much more attractive than the futures most people write about A squandrable abundance of free and clean energy means we solve the climate change and sixth mass-extinction crises in the next few years! It should be the only future we fund today. Just cheaper solar cells would do that. No new inventions needed. Cheap clean energy is the most important next step for humanities survival. It will only cost 100 million, maybe a few hundred million dollars at most [1]. It also means we would get a money free economy as depicted in Star Trek The Next Generation. Even interstellar travel by solar laser and solar sail would become possible if energy is nearly free. [1] Alan Kay, How? When “What Will It Take?” Seems Beyond Possible, We Need To Study How Immense Challenges Have Been Successfully Dealt With In The Past https://internetat50.com/references/Kay_How.pdf https://internetat50.com/references/Kay_How.pdf

SideQuark 2y ago

There are fundamental physical limits to information density and computing power, which will limit growth of knowledge.