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No he did not. Prighozhin was 1000km away from Moscow and was allowed some freedome only thanks to some limited support of a fraction of population, mostly wha

by konart 2y ago

No he did not. Prighozhin was 1000km away from Moscow and was allowed some freedome only thanks to some limited support of a fraction of population, mostly what you'd call "rednecks". One call and he had stopped the theatrics. And was zeroed two months later.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Prighozhin was 1000km away from Moscow and was allowed some freedome only thanks to some limited support of a fraction of population Substitute peasants with prisoners and a straight shot to Moscow versus already in and you've got the same situation. Putin didn't have enough materiel between Moscow and Prighozin to keep the fight from getting to Moscow.
- cryptonector 2y ago
  So why didn't Putin fall?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > So why didn't Putin fall? He's in a much-stronger position than the Tsar was. The peasants in Moscow were the proximate cause of the Tsar's fall, but it wasn't the ultimate one.
- nabla9 2y ago
  FSO alone has 50k uniformed troops to protect Moscow from the Army or any other attack from the periphery.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > FSO alone has 50k uniformed troops to protect Moscow from the Army or any other attack from the periphery Hence why I said "Putin didn't have enough materiel between Moscow and Prighozin to keep the fight from getting to Moscow." Prighozin couldn't have unilaterally seized Moscow. But he could have brought the fight to it. At that point, a new set of political calculations--ones I'm not qualified to speculate about--come into play.
    - nabla9 2y ago
      He had no change. He started the rebellion from desperation in the first place. The end came quickly when FSB was threatening the family members of the group leaders. Putin can be toppled, but it will be just rearrangement among powerful groups. There is no change of popular rebellion or intellectuals pushing change in Russia.
- konart 2y ago
  >a straight shot to Moscow versus already in 1000km vs already in, right. >Putin didn't have enough materiel between Moscow and Prighozin to keep the fight from getting to Moscow. Putin had at least 600k military personnel around the country at the time (200k even if we take into the account that a good part of this number are paperworkers and such). Not to mention all kinds of police, special units etc. This was a political problem for him (using your own military against Prighozhin would at least make him look week or even illegitimate at the time). Not a "technical".

by konart 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Prighozhin was 1000km away from Moscow and was allowed some freedome only thanks to some limited support of a fraction of population Substitute peasants with prisoners and a straight shot to Moscow versus already in and you've got the same situation. Putin didn't have enough materiel between Moscow and Prighozin to keep the fight from getting to Moscow.

cryptonector 2y ago
So why didn't Putin fall?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > So why didn't Putin fall? He's in a much-stronger position than the Tsar was. The peasants in Moscow were the proximate cause of the Tsar's fall, but it wasn't the ultimate one.
nabla9 2y ago
FSO alone has 50k uniformed troops to protect Moscow from the Army or any other attack from the periphery.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > FSO alone has 50k uniformed troops to protect Moscow from the Army or any other attack from the periphery Hence why I said "Putin didn't have enough materiel between Moscow and Prighozin to keep the fight from getting to Moscow." Prighozin couldn't have unilaterally seized Moscow. But he could have brought the fight to it. At that point, a new set of political calculations--ones I'm not qualified to speculate about--come into play.
  - nabla9 2y ago
    He had no change. He started the rebellion from desperation in the first place. The end came quickly when FSB was threatening the family members of the group leaders. Putin can be toppled, but it will be just rearrangement among powerful groups. There is no change of popular rebellion or intellectuals pushing change in Russia.
konart 2y ago
>a straight shot to Moscow versus already in 1000km vs already in, right. >Putin didn't have enough materiel between Moscow and Prighozin to keep the fight from getting to Moscow. Putin had at least 600k military personnel around the country at the time (200k even if we take into the account that a good part of this number are paperworkers and such). Not to mention all kinds of police, special units etc. This was a political problem for him (using your own military against Prighozhin would at least make him look week or even illegitimate at the time). Not a "technical".