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They're not equally distributing glyphosate in an average mist across every hectare of land each year. > “In 2021, Coillte treated [circa] 2,300 hectares with

They're not equally distributing glyphosate in an average mist across every hectare of land each year. > “In 2021, Coillte treated [circa] 2,300 hectares with glyphosate for vegetation control, which equates to 0.006% of our estate [0] That works out to a lot more than 300 milligrams; closer to 430,000. I've seen the desolation with my own eyes. The ecosystem doesn't recover from that. Coillte also use glyphosate and a raft of other chemicals in their nurseries and along the roadsides, as do local councils, with little if any oversight. 0 - https://www.thejournal.ie/in-the-weeds-roads-forests-5864314-Sep2022/ https://www.thejournal.ie/in-the-weeds-roads-forests-5864314...

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I take your point, they're intentionally reporting an average to sort of obscure the true application rate. What's the the right amount of glyphosate (and others) to use, and under what conditions? Where I live (and have lived) we have pretty nasty invasive broadleaf species for whom glyphosate and triclopyr are first line choices for destroying the plant, i.e. mechanical removal does not work or is counterproductive. So, clearly it has a place in the defense of ecosystems. What standard and protocols do we hold the users of these chemicals to (including yours truly)?
- mandmandam 2y ago
  > Where I live (and have lived) we have pretty nasty invasive broadleaf species for whom glyphosate and triclopyr are first line choices for destroying the plant, i.e. mechanical removal does not work or is counterproductive. > So, clearly it has a place in the defense of ecosystems. Why would that be clear? Do you live in the land of 'Always Right'?
  - 0_____0 2y ago
    It's best practice for certain weeds e.g. morning glory, where breaking the vine tends to just spread it, and digging it up flat out does not work - you'll be at it for years. Here's King County's factsheet for morning glory. How would you handle it in your own yard? How would you handle it if you were managing 100s of acres? https://www.nwcb.wa.gov/pdfs/Bindweed_factsheet_King.pdf https://www.nwcb.wa.gov/pdfs/Bindweed_factsheet_King.pdf
    - mandmandam 2y ago
      There are about 40,000 unemployed people actively looking for work in King's County, if I'm reading the figures right. If I were in charge of getting rid of King County's bindweed, I would look at hiring some of those people to permanently improve the soil quality, so that it can be outcompeted by shrubs. Solarization could be a part of the process, or mulching. I'm far from an expert though, and there are other options still without using dangerous chemicals. I know, I know - long term solutions take time and money. Better than poisoning the soil and water (and most everything that depends on them) for a quick fix though. And, paying local people a fair wage for honest work has all kinds of economic benefits.

0_____0 2y ago

I take your point, they're intentionally reporting an average to sort of obscure the true application rate. What's the the right amount of glyphosate (and others) to use, and under what conditions? Where I live (and have lived) we have pretty nasty invasive broadleaf species for whom glyphosate and triclopyr are first line choices for destroying the plant, i.e. mechanical removal does not work or is counterproductive. So, clearly it has a place in the defense of ecosystems. What standard and protocols do we hold the users of these chemicals to (including yours truly)?

mandmandam 2y ago
> Where I live (and have lived) we have pretty nasty invasive broadleaf species for whom glyphosate and triclopyr are first line choices for destroying the plant, i.e. mechanical removal does not work or is counterproductive. > So, clearly it has a place in the defense of ecosystems. Why would that be clear? Do you live in the land of 'Always Right'?
- 0_____0 2y ago
  It's best practice for certain weeds e.g. morning glory, where breaking the vine tends to just spread it, and digging it up flat out does not work - you'll be at it for years. Here's King County's factsheet for morning glory. How would you handle it in your own yard? How would you handle it if you were managing 100s of acres? https://www.nwcb.wa.gov/pdfs/Bindweed_factsheet_King.pdf https://www.nwcb.wa.gov/pdfs/Bindweed_factsheet_King.pdf
  - mandmandam 2y ago
    There are about 40,000 unemployed people actively looking for work in King's County, if I'm reading the figures right. If I were in charge of getting rid of King County's bindweed, I would look at hiring some of those people to permanently improve the soil quality, so that it can be outcompeted by shrubs. Solarization could be a part of the process, or mulching. I'm far from an expert though, and there are other options still without using dangerous chemicals. I know, I know - long term solutions take time and money. Better than poisoning the soil and water (and most everything that depends on them) for a quick fix though. And, paying local people a fair wage for honest work has all kinds of economic benefits.