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You asserted that author hasn't "learned" anything from this bug in a drive-by comment that starts with "Only if they actually ~". I can assure you that's incre

You asserted that author hasn't "learned" anything from this bug in a drive-by comment that starts with "Only if they actually ~". I can assure you that's incredibly condescending. It's uncalled for too. iTerm2 has a good track record responding to user issues, even obscure ones involving Japanese input. The dev even listened to the demands of trolls who raided the issue tracker from Mastodon [1]. Security fixes are released quickly. Nothing about the project warrants the kind of cheap dismissal in display all over this thread. You mentioned emotional attachment twice in this thread as reason some people have problems with dismissive, aggressive, or mean comments against iTerm2. No, it's basic empathy and appreciation for the thankless work going into this FOSS project. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40657890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40657890

boomlinde 2y ago
They didn't assert that the author hasn't learned anything. They said that in the absence of information that they have, what they have and what they will do to prevent such issues in the future, you can assume they will make similar mistakes. Which may be more of a "better safe than sorry" strategy than you think is warranted, but that I don't perceive as an attack on the author.
vlovich123 2y ago
No it’s not condescending to highlight the author hasn’t indicated they have learned from the broader set of circumstances that led to this bug in the first place. Ripping out a feature is a first step not the only step. I mention emotional attachment twice because twice to logical and attempted factual comments I’ve gotten emotional comments back verging on attacking me personally. I don’t use iterm2 nor is it a piece of software that takes up any mindspace for me but attacking this aggressively anyone even mildly critical because you feel like you’re part of this minority group and you need to defend yourself because you feel constantly attacked is tribalism, not empathy and appreciation.
- soraminazuki 2y ago
  When you tell me that you're the lone voice of reason amid the emotional tribal backlash against you, despite people breaking down all the reasons they're calling you out step by step, I have nothing more to tell you. You might want to remember that your supposed "logic" won't stand in any FOSS community though. Or like, any community. I honestly hope that you can one day become a different person from the one who proudly proclaims that disregarding other people's work is proof of rationality.
  - vlovich123 2y ago
    Where did I ever claim I was the sole voice of reason? Plenty of people on here are having a rational discussion about how this happened and several people recommended tips such as commit hooks to prevent WIP work from getting committed and released. That would be an example of a lesson learned. Indeed, it's entirely possible that George has learned that lesson too. I was just literally describing the logical problem with the assumed logic of "mistake made = lesson learned", especially when there's no evidence outlining what the lesson learned was. Similarly plenty of comments in response to things I've said have been fairly well balanced. As for the backlash, I just highlighted how 2 responses in particular seemed emotionally charged and border line attacked me for completely innocuous comments. The first was completely condescending and sarcastic while adding no additional value to the conversation on a completely unrelated comment thread where I suggested that maybe, just maybe, the terminal you choose isn't going to meaningfully improve your productivity. Your conversation has accused me of being in league with people threatening violence to the iTerm2 author and again adding nothing to the discussion about what lessons were actually learned and then attacking me and demeaning me in all sorts of ways and accusing me of saying things I simply have not. How would you describe that? A logical defense of someone I'm not attacking?
    - soraminazuki 2y ago
      Bringing up an arbitrary list of demands so that a FOSS dev can "prove" to you he has "learned"? That, is what, in your words, "adds nothing to the discussion."

boomlinde 2y ago

They didn't assert that the author hasn't learned anything. They said that in the absence of information that they have, what they have and what they will do to prevent such issues in the future, you can assume they will make similar mistakes. Which may be more of a "better safe than sorry" strategy than you think is warranted, but that I don't perceive as an attack on the author.

vlovich123 2y ago

No it’s not condescending to highlight the author hasn’t indicated they have learned from the broader set of circumstances that led to this bug in the first place. Ripping out a feature is a first step not the only step. I mention emotional attachment twice because twice to logical and attempted factual comments I’ve gotten emotional comments back verging on attacking me personally. I don’t use iterm2 nor is it a piece of software that takes up any mindspace for me but attacking this aggressively anyone even mildly critical because you feel like you’re part of this minority group and you need to defend yourself because you feel constantly attacked is tribalism, not empathy and appreciation.

soraminazuki 2y ago
When you tell me that you're the lone voice of reason amid the emotional tribal backlash against you, despite people breaking down all the reasons they're calling you out step by step, I have nothing more to tell you. You might want to remember that your supposed "logic" won't stand in any FOSS community though. Or like, any community. I honestly hope that you can one day become a different person from the one who proudly proclaims that disregarding other people's work is proof of rationality.
- vlovich123 2y ago
  Where did I ever claim I was the sole voice of reason? Plenty of people on here are having a rational discussion about how this happened and several people recommended tips such as commit hooks to prevent WIP work from getting committed and released. That would be an example of a lesson learned. Indeed, it's entirely possible that George has learned that lesson too. I was just literally describing the logical problem with the assumed logic of "mistake made = lesson learned", especially when there's no evidence outlining what the lesson learned was. Similarly plenty of comments in response to things I've said have been fairly well balanced. As for the backlash, I just highlighted how 2 responses in particular seemed emotionally charged and border line attacked me for completely innocuous comments. The first was completely condescending and sarcastic while adding no additional value to the conversation on a completely unrelated comment thread where I suggested that maybe, just maybe, the terminal you choose isn't going to meaningfully improve your productivity. Your conversation has accused me of being in league with people threatening violence to the iTerm2 author and again adding nothing to the discussion about what lessons were actually learned and then attacking me and demeaning me in all sorts of ways and accusing me of saying things I simply have not. How would you describe that? A logical defense of someone I'm not attacking?
  - soraminazuki 2y ago
    Bringing up an arbitrary list of demands so that a FOSS dev can "prove" to you he has "learned"? That, is what, in your words, "adds nothing to the discussion."