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The Art and Science of Mess Management (1981) [pdf]

61 points by rzk 2y ago

knob 2y ago
Quite good read. I'm going to print this out.
codeproject 2y ago
very good writing. it is still relevant considered it was written 44 years ago. but we are in the age of AGI now, do we still need this? I am sure this one has been used already by several Large LLM as training materials.
- walterbell 2y ago
  The "last mile" of social change is the human brain, not consultants or LLMs.
moandcompany 2y ago
Russell Ackoff's lectures are always a great listen, and worth relistening to each year. If I recall correctly he used to work at Bell Labs... A starting point: https://youtu.be/yGN5DBpW93g https://youtu.be/yGN5DBpW93g
tdpvb 2y ago
Interesting to realize "clinician" is nowadays usually in a medical context -- but nonetheless, this paper's pure categorization of problem solving was prophetic of mainstream medicine's hubris and incentives: > "Groups, like individuals, tend not to be aware of what they do not know and need to know." And, > "Such discussions are more likely to suppress symptoms than relieve ailments."
user_7832 2y ago
Slightly tangential, does anyone remember who was the (German Professor?) guy who has spoken/written about computer (file) organisation, and has proposed a way to organise files? I seem to remember he said he could save tens of minutes of the user everyday by seeing how someone uses the computer. It was not the Zettelkasten or the Dewey Decimal System but those topics were also possibly discussed in that hackernews thread.
- non-nil 2y ago
  https://karl-voit.at/ https://karl-voit.at/ perhaps?
  - user_7832 2y ago
    Thanks, that’s a bingo! I believe this is (one of) the relevant thread(s): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36544879 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36544879 > I hereby claim that I am able to save you at least twenty minutes of your computer time a day just by looking over your shoulder and suggesting more advanced tools, better methods, and efficient workflows. https://karl-voit.at/tags/pim/ https://karl-voit.at/tags/pim/

61 points by rzk 2y ago

knob 2y ago

Quite good read. I'm going to print this out.

very good writing. it is still relevant considered it was written 44 years ago. but we are in the age of AGI now, do we still need this? I am sure this one has been used already by several Large LLM as training materials.

walterbell 2y ago
The "last mile" of social change is the human brain, not consultants or LLMs.

moandcompany 2y ago

Russell Ackoff's lectures are always a great listen, and worth relistening to each year. If I recall correctly he used to work at Bell Labs... A starting point: https://youtu.be/yGN5DBpW93g https://youtu.be/yGN5DBpW93g

tdpvb 2y ago

Interesting to realize "clinician" is nowadays usually in a medical context -- but nonetheless, this paper's pure categorization of problem solving was prophetic of mainstream medicine's hubris and incentives: > "Groups, like individuals, tend not to be aware of what they do not know and need to know." And, > "Such discussions are more likely to suppress symptoms than relieve ailments."

user_7832 2y ago

Slightly tangential, does anyone remember who was the (German Professor?) guy who has spoken/written about computer (file) organisation, and has proposed a way to organise files? I seem to remember he said he could save tens of minutes of the user everyday by seeing how someone uses the computer. It was not the Zettelkasten or the Dewey Decimal System but those topics were also possibly discussed in that hackernews thread.

non-nil 2y ago
https://karl-voit.at/ https://karl-voit.at/ perhaps?
- user_7832 2y ago
  Thanks, that’s a bingo! I believe this is (one of) the relevant thread(s): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36544879 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36544879 > I hereby claim that I am able to save you at least twenty minutes of your computer time a day just by looking over your shoulder and suggesting more advanced tools, better methods, and efficient workflows. https://karl-voit.at/tags/pim/ https://karl-voit.at/tags/pim/