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But it is. Scrolling in neovim is noticably slower on iTerm2. This makes it cumbersome to use. Even if it doesn't prevent me from inputting the keystrokes any f

But it is. Scrolling in neovim is noticably slower on iTerm2. This makes it cumbersome to use. Even if it doesn't prevent me from inputting the keystrokes any faster, if it is cumbersome to use, it will make me work slower.

dangus 2y ago
An entire thread of neovim users generally saying that the performance is acceptable: https://www.reddit.com/r/neovim/s/JOQL9e76fp https://www.reddit.com/r/neovim/s/JOQL9e76fp Just because something else is faster doesn’t mean that iTerm is slow. It’s all relative.
- eptcyka 2y ago
  Sure, it is slow for me.
- BSDobelix 2y ago
  >Just because something else is faster doesn’t mean that iTerm is slow. It’s all relative. If you are thinking about a change, console marketing would be a good place to start ;)
soraminazuki 2y ago
I've used numerous terminal emulators on both macOS and Linux. I use Neovim daily. There is no noticeable difference in scrolling performance. Additionally, there are so many ways scrolling can slow down in Neovim (e.g., bad tmux config). It's hard to take your word for it that the issue lies in iTerm2 in the absence of any sort of reproducible evidence.
- eptcyka 2y ago
  There might be some tmux involved, yes. But the same tmux config works just fine with Kitty. Kitty also hasn't been leaking commands I've ran as DNS requests. Nor has it left my zsh history on a remote host. I don't care to investigate why iTerm2 works worse for me because I am satisfied enough with a solution that works. iTerm2 not working for me rhymes with my previous experiences with iTerm2 and its security issues.
  - soraminazuki 2y ago
    That's uncalled for. Security issues are quickly fixed and released in iTerm2. The dev is responsive to feedback, even to hostile Mastodon trolls brigading the issue tracker [1]. Please don't be like that. Also, any serious software has its own share of problems. Have you actually looked at the issue tracker for your supposed champion? [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40657890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40657890
    - likeabatterycar 2y ago
      People are allowed to have preferences and dislike software. Similarly, if your mechanic forgets to tighten the lug nuts or leaves the oil cap off, and nearly kills you or destroys the engine, you are allowed to find a new mechanic without the Hackernews hoi polloi coming out of the woodwork saying how unfair it is, he has mouths to feed, and linking to critical Yelp reviews of your new mechanic trying to convince you of your own idiocy and wrongdoing. This emotional attachment to a piece of throwaway software here is frankly weird.
      - soraminazuki 2y ago
        This over the top aggressive response to a bug in a passion FOSS project. That thing you just did is what I have issue with. People are allowed to have opinions. In the same spirit, others are allowed to call out inappropriate or toxic behavior. Also, > Hackernews hoi polloi coming out of the woodwork saying how ... he has mouths to feed Do you not understand what people mean when they say iTerm2 is free and open source software developed in a single person's spare time, and people aren't owed any of it? You didn't pay your metaphorical mechanic. Such bold sense of entitlement. What's even more unfortunate is your take on my previous comment: > linking to critical Yelp reviews of your new mechanic Let me be more clear. You'll find something to pick on in any FOSS software. When you bring it up, no FOSS community will tolerate the kind of attitude you put on full display here. Last but not least, > This emotional attachment to a piece of throwaway software here is frankly weird. Piece of throwaway software? Do words have no meaning to you? This is 15 year's worth of work that you're belittling. That work consists not only of coding, but coordinating with users and other software projects. I've seen him many times in issue trackers of various other projects. He's giving away all of that work for free. Imagine having to deal with people like you on top of all that.

dangus 2y ago

An entire thread of neovim users generally saying that the performance is acceptable: https://www.reddit.com/r/neovim/s/JOQL9e76fp https://www.reddit.com/r/neovim/s/JOQL9e76fp Just because something else is faster doesn’t mean that iTerm is slow. It’s all relative.

eptcyka 2y ago
Sure, it is slow for me.
BSDobelix 2y ago
>Just because something else is faster doesn’t mean that iTerm is slow. It’s all relative. If you are thinking about a change, console marketing would be a good place to start ;)

soraminazuki 2y ago

I've used numerous terminal emulators on both macOS and Linux. I use Neovim daily. There is no noticeable difference in scrolling performance. Additionally, there are so many ways scrolling can slow down in Neovim (e.g., bad tmux config). It's hard to take your word for it that the issue lies in iTerm2 in the absence of any sort of reproducible evidence.

eptcyka 2y ago
There might be some tmux involved, yes. But the same tmux config works just fine with Kitty. Kitty also hasn't been leaking commands I've ran as DNS requests. Nor has it left my zsh history on a remote host. I don't care to investigate why iTerm2 works worse for me because I am satisfied enough with a solution that works. iTerm2 not working for me rhymes with my previous experiences with iTerm2 and its security issues.
- soraminazuki 2y ago
  That's uncalled for. Security issues are quickly fixed and released in iTerm2. The dev is responsive to feedback, even to hostile Mastodon trolls brigading the issue tracker [1]. Please don't be like that. Also, any serious software has its own share of problems. Have you actually looked at the issue tracker for your supposed champion? [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40657890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40657890
  - likeabatterycar 2y ago
    People are allowed to have preferences and dislike software. Similarly, if your mechanic forgets to tighten the lug nuts or leaves the oil cap off, and nearly kills you or destroys the engine, you are allowed to find a new mechanic without the Hackernews hoi polloi coming out of the woodwork saying how unfair it is, he has mouths to feed, and linking to critical Yelp reviews of your new mechanic trying to convince you of your own idiocy and wrongdoing. This emotional attachment to a piece of throwaway software here is frankly weird.
    - soraminazuki 2y ago
      This over the top aggressive response to a bug in a passion FOSS project. That thing you just did is what I have issue with. People are allowed to have opinions. In the same spirit, others are allowed to call out inappropriate or toxic behavior. Also, > Hackernews hoi polloi coming out of the woodwork saying how ... he has mouths to feed Do you not understand what people mean when they say iTerm2 is free and open source software developed in a single person's spare time, and people aren't owed any of it? You didn't pay your metaphorical mechanic. Such bold sense of entitlement. What's even more unfortunate is your take on my previous comment: > linking to critical Yelp reviews of your new mechanic Let me be more clear. You'll find something to pick on in any FOSS software. When you bring it up, no FOSS community will tolerate the kind of attitude you put on full display here. Last but not least, > This emotional attachment to a piece of throwaway software here is frankly weird. Piece of throwaway software? Do words have no meaning to you? This is 15 year's worth of work that you're belittling. That work consists not only of coding, but coordinating with users and other software projects. I've seen him many times in issue trackers of various other projects. He's giving away all of that work for free. Imagine having to deal with people like you on top of all that.