4 ms·

What did George ever do to you that warrants this level of contempt and condescension? Am I missing something, because there are so many activists like you havi

What did George ever do to you that warrants this level of contempt and condescension? Am I missing something, because there are so many activists like you having an inexplicable vendetta against iTerm2 all over this thread. This is sad because iTerm2 is one of the best terminal emulators out there. It's the first terminal emulator that popularized shell integration. Newer terminal emulators are still catching up, a decade later. tmux integration is another popular feature that's still unique to iTerm2. George has been working tirelessly on iTerm2 pretty much solo for 15 years [1]. To this day, he continuously brings new improvements to the terminal experience that keeps being copied by other terminal emulators. Developers benefit from his work, iTerm2 users and non-users alike. We should be expressing our gratitude instead of doing whatever people are doing in this thread. George found this security issue the day after New Year's day and immediately released a fix [2]. That's commitment. And while the effects of this bug can be severe, most people wouldn't have triggered the bug. > 1. Either: > a) You used the it2ssh command, or > b) In Settings > Profiles > General, the > Command popup menu was set to "SSH" (not > "Login Shell", "Command", or "Custom > Command") AND "SSH Integration" was checked > in the SSH configuration dialog. That dialog > is shown when you click the Configure button > next to the ssh arguments field in Settings. It's almost as if some people are jumping at any chance of retribution, justified or not. This all sure intensified after iTerm2 at one point introduced an AI-related feature into the default build that one can just safely forget exists by not actively enabling and engaging with it. Some in the Mastodon community even went as far as openly fantasizing about inflicting violence on the poor dev [3]. I just can't understand the morality of some of the people you see online. [1]: https://github.com/gnachman/iTerm2/graphs/contributors https://github.com/gnachman/iTerm2/graphs/contributors [2]: https://github.com/gnachman/iTerm2/commits/master/?since=2025-01-01&until=2025-01-03 https://github.com/gnachman/iTerm2/commits/master/?since=202... [3]: https://web.archive.org/web/20240613170001/https://archive.is/BDmKU https://web.archive.org/web/20240613170001/https://archive.i...

rougka 2y ago
The terminal is the last bastion of the "good old times" for many people. that's why a terminal aiming at modernizing the experience is so triggering
- soraminazuki 2y ago
  iTerm2 doesn't interfere with people wanting the same old experience and you don't even have to use it either. Being "triggered" by a free and open source passion project that has helped countless number of developers around the world is beyond absurd. "Ungrateful" doesn't even begin to describe it.
  - rougka 2y ago
    Don't get me wrong, I like it. But there's a fake nostalgia around terminals lately (nvim, oh-my-zsh, etc) and it seems emotional
    - soraminazuki 2y ago
      People have always been emotional about their choice of software, I guess. But people are treating George, who has shown nothing but good faith this past 15 years of iTerm2 development, like the product manager of Windows Recall. That's a whole new level of emotional response which I don't understand where it's even coming from.
vlovich123 2y ago
There is absolutely 0 condescension in my comment. All I highlighted is the flaw in the argument that a mistake made is a lesson learned. Indeed, there’s no indication the root cause of the lesson leading to this situation has indeed been learned. You seem to be triggered by a perceived critical comment of a piece of software you’ve developed an emotional attachment to. I have not attacked anyone associated with the iterm2 project nor have I questioned his talent in creating a popular project or his commitment to it. Lumping me in with toxic people you encountered on social networks is completely uncalled for and I’ve never called for violence against anyone.
- soraminazuki 2y ago
  You asserted that author hasn't "learned" anything from this bug in a drive-by comment that starts with "Only if they actually ~". I can assure you that's incredibly condescending. It's uncalled for too. iTerm2 has a good track record responding to user issues, even obscure ones involving Japanese input. The dev even listened to the demands of trolls who raided the issue tracker from Mastodon [1]. Security fixes are released quickly. Nothing about the project warrants the kind of cheap dismissal in display all over this thread. You mentioned emotional attachment twice in this thread as reason some people have problems with dismissive, aggressive, or mean comments against iTerm2. No, it's basic empathy and appreciation for the thankless work going into this FOSS project. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40657890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40657890
  - boomlinde 2y ago
    They didn't assert that the author hasn't learned anything. They said that in the absence of information that they have, what they have and what they will do to prevent such issues in the future, you can assume they will make similar mistakes. Which may be more of a "better safe than sorry" strategy than you think is warranted, but that I don't perceive as an attack on the author.
  - vlovich123 2y ago
    No it’s not condescending to highlight the author hasn’t indicated they have learned from the broader set of circumstances that led to this bug in the first place. Ripping out a feature is a first step not the only step. I mention emotional attachment twice because twice to logical and attempted factual comments I’ve gotten emotional comments back verging on attacking me personally. I don’t use iterm2 nor is it a piece of software that takes up any mindspace for me but attacking this aggressively anyone even mildly critical because you feel like you’re part of this minority group and you need to defend yourself because you feel constantly attacked is tribalism, not empathy and appreciation.
ewwhite 2y ago
It's insane and horribly disrespectful. I don't understand the animus either. I just sent a $ donation to the maintainer. The response to this bug is completely over the top. He found a security issue in an optional feature, immediately fixed it over the New Year holiday, and provided clear documentation about who was affected and how to address it. That's exactly how responsible disclosure should work. The level of hostility - especially over adding optional features that people can simply choose not to use - suggests this is more about bandwagoning than legitimate criticism. We should be supporting developers who maintain critical open source infrastructure, not attacking them over a prompt response to a contained issue.
- durandal1 2y ago
  Donating in times of stress is a great idea, just donated as well.

rougka 2y ago

The terminal is the last bastion of the "good old times" for many people. that's why a terminal aiming at modernizing the experience is so triggering

soraminazuki 2y ago
iTerm2 doesn't interfere with people wanting the same old experience and you don't even have to use it either. Being "triggered" by a free and open source passion project that has helped countless number of developers around the world is beyond absurd. "Ungrateful" doesn't even begin to describe it.
- rougka 2y ago
  Don't get me wrong, I like it. But there's a fake nostalgia around terminals lately (nvim, oh-my-zsh, etc) and it seems emotional
  - soraminazuki 2y ago
    People have always been emotional about their choice of software, I guess. But people are treating George, who has shown nothing but good faith this past 15 years of iTerm2 development, like the product manager of Windows Recall. That's a whole new level of emotional response which I don't understand where it's even coming from.

vlovich123 2y ago

There is absolutely 0 condescension in my comment. All I highlighted is the flaw in the argument that a mistake made is a lesson learned. Indeed, there’s no indication the root cause of the lesson leading to this situation has indeed been learned. You seem to be triggered by a perceived critical comment of a piece of software you’ve developed an emotional attachment to. I have not attacked anyone associated with the iterm2 project nor have I questioned his talent in creating a popular project or his commitment to it. Lumping me in with toxic people you encountered on social networks is completely uncalled for and I’ve never called for violence against anyone.

soraminazuki 2y ago
You asserted that author hasn't "learned" anything from this bug in a drive-by comment that starts with "Only if they actually ~". I can assure you that's incredibly condescending. It's uncalled for too. iTerm2 has a good track record responding to user issues, even obscure ones involving Japanese input. The dev even listened to the demands of trolls who raided the issue tracker from Mastodon [1]. Security fixes are released quickly. Nothing about the project warrants the kind of cheap dismissal in display all over this thread. You mentioned emotional attachment twice in this thread as reason some people have problems with dismissive, aggressive, or mean comments against iTerm2. No, it's basic empathy and appreciation for the thankless work going into this FOSS project. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40657890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40657890
- boomlinde 2y ago
  They didn't assert that the author hasn't learned anything. They said that in the absence of information that they have, what they have and what they will do to prevent such issues in the future, you can assume they will make similar mistakes. Which may be more of a "better safe than sorry" strategy than you think is warranted, but that I don't perceive as an attack on the author.
- vlovich123 2y ago
  No it’s not condescending to highlight the author hasn’t indicated they have learned from the broader set of circumstances that led to this bug in the first place. Ripping out a feature is a first step not the only step. I mention emotional attachment twice because twice to logical and attempted factual comments I’ve gotten emotional comments back verging on attacking me personally. I don’t use iterm2 nor is it a piece of software that takes up any mindspace for me but attacking this aggressively anyone even mildly critical because you feel like you’re part of this minority group and you need to defend yourself because you feel constantly attacked is tribalism, not empathy and appreciation.

ewwhite 2y ago

It's insane and horribly disrespectful. I don't understand the animus either. I just sent a $ donation to the maintainer. The response to this bug is completely over the top. He found a security issue in an optional feature, immediately fixed it over the New Year holiday, and provided clear documentation about who was affected and how to address it. That's exactly how responsible disclosure should work. The level of hostility - especially over adding optional features that people can simply choose not to use - suggests this is more about bandwagoning than legitimate criticism. We should be supporting developers who maintain critical open source infrastructure, not attacking them over a prompt response to a contained issue.

durandal1 2y ago
Donating in times of stress is a great idea, just donated as well.