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Cloudflare works much, much better than Google - Google captchas for me, on Tor, are flatly impossible, always. They never let get through, no matter whether y

Cloudflare works much, much better than Google - Google captchas for me, on Tor, are flatly impossible, always. They never let get through, no matter whether you get them right or wrong. You always get "try again". The problem I do have with CF is their captchas seem to require human interaction on the page, and this makes getting through them problematic when you open half a dozen tabs, and each loads a CF captcha, and you have to move the mouse around for ten seconds just to get the captcha to load, and loading is not reliable. Often you need to reload the page. It's this type of performance, and poor performance, which is breaking web-pages for me.

jeffbee 2y ago
That sounds like a feature. Tor is for abuse, so you don't want Tor people hanging around on your page.
- SahAssar 2y ago
  > Tor is for abuse No. Tor is for anonymization. Some might use that for abuse, but that is not it's raison d'être.
- homebrewer 2y ago
  No it isn't. I discuss politically sensitive topics through it basically every other day, because by doing it directly in my country you will quickly end up in prison. (No, there's no scarecrow of the day involved, just discussing things you take for granted in your liberal democracy.)
yuumei 2y ago
But at least with Google captchas you can use AI to solve them. I use the buster captcha extension to solve them. It moves the mouse around like a human and solves automatically. I pay for captcha solvers for hcaptcha which is worse but cloudflare is just cancer. It’s made the web unusable
pixelesque 2y ago
Ehhh... maybe... Last week I had a run of (legacy) Cloudflare captchas on sites protected by CF to solve of "select all the boxes with motorcycles in", and despite doing it fastidiously and correctly (although I never know how to handle the boxes with like 3 pixels of object in but are otherwise clear), I had to do it like 5 times with different images, until suddenly it was happy.
- theamk 2y ago
  legacy Cloudflare captchas? I thought they eliminated them back in 2023? Their announcement is pretty clear on them: "Cloudflare will never issue another visual puzzle to anyone, for any reason." https://blog.cloudflare.com/turnstile-ga/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/turnstile-ga/ Are you sure it's not fake? For example archive.is sometimes sends me orange-colored CAPTCHAs (with "select all the boxes" style) that are never accepted; but if one looks closer at them, it actually never says "cloudflare" on them anywhere, nor there is a logo (it does this because it has a long-standing feud with cloudflare re users' privacy).
  - pixelesque 2y ago
    I thought they had as well, which was why I was surprised to see them. I can't remember the site I saw them on, so I don't know for certain, but the site was definitely protected by Cloudflare, and I'm not really sure what you mean by "fake" - they were definitely CAPTCHAs with image tiles, but I guess I don't know for certain they were coming from Cloudflare servers.
    - theamk 2y ago
      How did you know they were Cloudflare and not some other service? Was there a "cloudflare" word or their logo? HCaptcha is still a thing, it has "find all dogs": https://developers.nopecha.com/recognition/hcaptcha/ https://developers.nopecha.com/recognition/hcaptcha/ I get flagged by Google's reCaptcha all the time, it's super annoying: https://developers.nopecha.com/recognition/recaptcha/ https://developers.nopecha.com/recognition/recaptcha/ Archive.is made their own check page (probably based on HCaptcha), which uses same color scheme as cloudflare and same general design.. except if you look closely, you'll notice there is no word "cloudflare" anywhere on page, it's a homegrown solution: https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/18c3ea7/does_anyone_else_have_a_problem_with_captcha_when/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/18c3ea7/... For some weird reason, people like to attribute every captcha to cloudflare, even if they no longer offer this service...

jeffbee 2y ago

That sounds like a feature. Tor is for abuse, so you don't want Tor people hanging around on your page.

SahAssar 2y ago
> Tor is for abuse No. Tor is for anonymization. Some might use that for abuse, but that is not it's raison d'être.
homebrewer 2y ago
No it isn't. I discuss politically sensitive topics through it basically every other day, because by doing it directly in my country you will quickly end up in prison. (No, there's no scarecrow of the day involved, just discussing things you take for granted in your liberal democracy.)

yuumei 2y ago

But at least with Google captchas you can use AI to solve them. I use the buster captcha extension to solve them. It moves the mouse around like a human and solves automatically. I pay for captcha solvers for hcaptcha which is worse but cloudflare is just cancer. It’s made the web unusable

pixelesque 2y ago

Ehhh... maybe... Last week I had a run of (legacy) Cloudflare captchas on sites protected by CF to solve of "select all the boxes with motorcycles in", and despite doing it fastidiously and correctly (although I never know how to handle the boxes with like 3 pixels of object in but are otherwise clear), I had to do it like 5 times with different images, until suddenly it was happy.

theamk 2y ago
legacy Cloudflare captchas? I thought they eliminated them back in 2023? Their announcement is pretty clear on them: "Cloudflare will never issue another visual puzzle to anyone, for any reason." https://blog.cloudflare.com/turnstile-ga/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/turnstile-ga/ Are you sure it's not fake? For example archive.is sometimes sends me orange-colored CAPTCHAs (with "select all the boxes" style) that are never accepted; but if one looks closer at them, it actually never says "cloudflare" on them anywhere, nor there is a logo (it does this because it has a long-standing feud with cloudflare re users' privacy).
- pixelesque 2y ago
  I thought they had as well, which was why I was surprised to see them. I can't remember the site I saw them on, so I don't know for certain, but the site was definitely protected by Cloudflare, and I'm not really sure what you mean by "fake" - they were definitely CAPTCHAs with image tiles, but I guess I don't know for certain they were coming from Cloudflare servers.
  - theamk 2y ago
    How did you know they were Cloudflare and not some other service? Was there a "cloudflare" word or their logo? HCaptcha is still a thing, it has "find all dogs": https://developers.nopecha.com/recognition/hcaptcha/ https://developers.nopecha.com/recognition/hcaptcha/ I get flagged by Google's reCaptcha all the time, it's super annoying: https://developers.nopecha.com/recognition/recaptcha/ https://developers.nopecha.com/recognition/recaptcha/ Archive.is made their own check page (probably based on HCaptcha), which uses same color scheme as cloudflare and same general design.. except if you look closely, you'll notice there is no word "cloudflare" anywhere on page, it's a homegrown solution: https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/18c3ea7/does_anyone_else_have_a_problem_with_captcha_when/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/18c3ea7/... For some weird reason, people like to attribute every captcha to cloudflare, even if they no longer offer this service...