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The Turks would be very displeased with you calling it "their Arabic trademark".

• neonnoodle 2y ago
  The Armenian Zildjians might be displeased to be called Turks.
  • jimmydddd 2y ago
    Yeah, something about 1915 or such.
    • woketemptation 2y ago
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  • fakedang 2y ago
    Considering they received their start through the patronage of the Ottoman Emperor, I doubt that, else that element would have been erased from their history. Turks, maybe not, but Ottomans they were. They moved the business to the US before the genocide though (and in good time too!), so not sure how they would have been affected.
    • 1-more 2y ago
      But after the Hamidian Massacres and the generally bloody 1890s.
  • mda 2y ago
    Their ancestors were citizens of Ottoman empire and their business exits because of Sultans patronage. Who knows how they feel about the connection, yours is only speculation.
• mardifoufs 2y ago
  The Ottoman Turkish alphabet (which I assume the logo in the linked article uses) uses the Arabic script, so the letters are the same. I don't think a British person would be offended to know that the English alphabet is based on the Latin script, even if they aren't Romans themselves.
  • kibwen 2y ago
    Even still, I wasn't aware that Ottoman Turkish had its own alphabet, even if it still uses the Arabic script, so I don't mind the clarification.
  • fakedang 2y ago
    The English alphabet was directly derived from the Roman alphabet, as were they direct descendants of the Romans. The Turkish alphabet on the other hand, was derived from the Persian alphabet, which used the Arabic script only after the cultural destruction and subjugation of Persia post the Islamic conquests. The Persian script has a number of letters and sounds commonly found in Indo-Aryan languages, but not in Semitic languages such as Arabic or Hebrew, one example being the P sound. There's a good reason why Reza Pahlavi's move to rename Persia (itself a foreign-derived name) to the original name of Eran/Iran was extremely popular amongst the Iranians.
    • mardifoufs 2y ago
      I know the usual Iranian nationalist narrative but it's weird to see it here. Especially considering that the Ottoman Turkish alphabet based on the Persian variant of the Arabic script also didn't map all the sounds that are required in Turkish. They also probably didn't pick the arabo-persian script because of those commonly found sounds in Indo-Aryan(European?) languages considering that Turkish isn't an indo-european language and is in a family of its own... So there's a very loose link here. And while I'm not sure about the circumstances of the adoption of the Arabic script in Iran, the Turks were conquerors basically from the beginning and chose the Arabic script entirely willingly. There's no colonial or imperialist implications to calling Turkish arabic script... arabic. (Not that it wouldn't even really matter, the letters in question are unquestionably arabic script anyways. The Romans sure did subjugate Britain and france, and brutally repressed them, but that doesn't make the script they use any less Latin!)
    • School-Cotton 2y ago
      English is not directly descended from Latin, nor are English people directly descended from ancient Romans. (You don't need a formal study to prove this -- just use your eyes. The typical English person and the typical Italian don't look the same.) There are also lots of sounds in English that don't exist in Latin; for example, most of the vowels (English has roughly 15-20 vowel sounds; Latin has 5 or 6).
• rachelgunn 2y ago
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