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I have a job, but it's in a terrible department. I've been actively looking and posting internally. I've been looking externally too, but haven't posted externa

I have a job, but it's in a terrible department. I've been actively looking and posting internally. I've been looking externally too, but haven't posted externally. I've been looking for over a year and there have been extremely few internal postings around my level/role. External postings in my area seem to be mostly garbage, both in the sense that they aren't actually hiring and also the ones who are have terrible culture or pay. Over the past year, I've probably interviewed for 6 internal roles, most in the past 6 months. I've declined 2 of the postions due their team being even worse than my current one. I have one that I did well on and could result in a double promotion. I should find out about that soon, but I'm really not hopeful. I'm surprised they even took me as a candidate given I'm 2 grades below it. It seems like it's picking up internally at least. Maybe that will translate to more external jobs next.

grugagag 2y ago
> I've declined 2 of the postions due their team being even worse than my current one. What's your criteria to determine that? Is it just insider knowledge from those departments or do you systematically go over a checklist?
- giantg2 2y ago
  No checklist, it's based on what they tell me about their systems. One interview was supposed to be for a dev role. It turns out it was for a test automation engineer for a testing only team on a program. I've seen how those testing only teams get treated in my org when you have a whole program throwing code at you to test. You obviously aren't doing TDD, and good luck getting good requirements or access to the business SMEs. Hard pass. Another was for a dev role for Python and some work for a new Angular UI. I got into the interview and they're talking about Go... which wasn't listed anywhere in the posting. And that Angular work... it's going to be React. Their explaination was that they just didn't update the posting (lazy fuck, wasting everyone's time and the company's money). Then they went on to tell me they didn't really have tests and they aren't thinking about using a CMS for the UI. So they can't even create a valid posting and just shrug at common best practices that are missing. This isn't a startup but a mature company in a regulated industry. Decline.
  - collingreen 2y ago
    You have some very strong opinions and a lot of vitriol for your coworkers. Hopefully you can find a path that eases some of what is frustrating you. Maybe you can lead a project or team or something and do it your way and show everyone if that is or is not better than what they are currently doing.
    - giantg2 2y ago
      Most of my coworkers are fine. But some teams really are terrible. I don't want to be a leader. You don't actually have any real freedom or power as a leader at a large corp until you're way up the ranks.

grugagag 2y ago

> I've declined 2 of the postions due their team being even worse than my current one. What's your criteria to determine that? Is it just insider knowledge from those departments or do you systematically go over a checklist?

giantg2 2y ago
No checklist, it's based on what they tell me about their systems. One interview was supposed to be for a dev role. It turns out it was for a test automation engineer for a testing only team on a program. I've seen how those testing only teams get treated in my org when you have a whole program throwing code at you to test. You obviously aren't doing TDD, and good luck getting good requirements or access to the business SMEs. Hard pass. Another was for a dev role for Python and some work for a new Angular UI. I got into the interview and they're talking about Go... which wasn't listed anywhere in the posting. And that Angular work... it's going to be React. Their explaination was that they just didn't update the posting (lazy fuck, wasting everyone's time and the company's money). Then they went on to tell me they didn't really have tests and they aren't thinking about using a CMS for the UI. So they can't even create a valid posting and just shrug at common best practices that are missing. This isn't a startup but a mature company in a regulated industry. Decline.
- collingreen 2y ago
  You have some very strong opinions and a lot of vitriol for your coworkers. Hopefully you can find a path that eases some of what is frustrating you. Maybe you can lead a project or team or something and do it your way and show everyone if that is or is not better than what they are currently doing.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    Most of my coworkers are fine. But some teams really are terrible. I don't want to be a leader. You don't actually have any real freedom or power as a leader at a large corp until you're way up the ranks.