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It is only going to get worse for Tesla. Musk went all in extreme right-wing. Even though most "green" buyers are left leaning. I started disliking Musk after

by avgDev 2y ago

It is only going to get worse for Tesla. Musk went all in extreme right-wing. Even though most "green" buyers are left leaning. I started disliking Musk after his pedo comments in regards to the cave rescuers. The smart/geeky/techy guy is a facade. I mainly would not consider Tesla because of Musk. The poor build quality just reinforces that stance.

babyent 2y ago
Lucid Air is quite a nice car. My next EV will be a Lucid if I choose to start driving again.
- avgDev 2y ago
  Lucid is a bit too expensive for me. However, Hyundai seems to make decent EVs. I will consider one after I upgrade my electrical panel to support decent charge speed.
  - r00fus 2y ago
    The newest Kia (Hyundai's sister brand) EV6 can also do massive V2L - can support 12kW power - combine that with a transfer switch, and your car doubles as your backup battery/generator.
- cchance 2y ago
  Too expensive, thats the big issue, EV's that are decent outside of tesla are just so fuckin expensive, or from legacy automakers that seem to just want to shove a EV engine in a shitty old design
  - NewJazz 2y ago
    Eh, IMHO both Hyundai and GM have really tried with their latest platforms to make a range of quality EVs.
  - babyent 2y ago
    Lucid is a luxury brand and it has a better quality interior and comfort than a Tesla. I’ve only ever owned a Tesla, Mazda, Subaru, and a Honda so note that’s my only personal experience. I used to have a P3D, and Tesla interiors do feel quite lacking compared to the Lucid Air I sat in at the mall. My friend has had a Lucid for a while and it still has a solid feel. I didn’t hear any creaks or rattles and it felt solid inside, if that makes sense.
- Scottn1 2y ago
  Lucid is majority controlled by Saudi PIF. https://eletric-vehicles.com/lucid/saudi-pif-now-controls-64-3-of-lucid-motors-sec-filing-reveals/ https://eletric-vehicles.com/lucid/saudi-pif-now-controls-64...
benjaminwootton 2y ago
I'm not really anti Elon, in fact I agree with a lot of what he says, but I just cannot get over that paedo comment. That said a lot about his character.
- FloorEgg 2y ago
  100% same re the pedo tweet. Though sometimes I remember how just about everyone in my life that I love, respect and have spent a lot of time with has said something stupid, insecure, distasteful or offensive at some point. Everyone makes mistakes and says or does something out of character when they are at their worst. The difference with Elon is that so much of what he says is so public. Some of my friends who are extremely anti-Elon biased will say things like " as a CEO of a company he shouldn't be so public about his opinions", and I don't get why they feel that way. I ask inquisitively and I never get a clear logical answer that doesn't resemble something like "because I don't like his opinions". However, as far as I can tell their opinions of his opinions is based on some article they read, and not from a long-form conversation or statement where all the nuance and context of his opinions is included. It seems like people's opinion of Elon has everything to do with what information they have, and what information they have has everything to do with where they are getting it. Some people have listened to the podcast interviews Elon has been on and have a more in-depth grasp of his stances on things with all the nuance, and some people only read articles about an outrageous tweet he made. If you only get one or the other of these channels of information, you will have very different perspectives on him.
  - kanbara 2y ago
    he should keep his opinions to himself because he wields more power than billions of people combined, is the richest man in the world, and has said and done pretty heinous things. platforming nazis and right-wing white supremacists, siding with fascists who tried to stage a coup, calls for the murder of muslims, calls for the removal of rights for trans people, and is now calling for treason charges against politicians who did not support donald trump. not only that, but he disowned his child, calls people slurs and insults them for not supporting him, and is just generally an unpleasant person. he bought an election and unfathomable power, pretty uncool if you ask me. he also hasn't said one or two messed up things, he tweets them every second. if you are apologising for a racist/white supremacist/nazi/fascist you should look very heavily in the mirror. and if you support the things he supports, well, good luck.

by avgDev 2y ago

babyent 2y ago

Lucid Air is quite a nice car. My next EV will be a Lucid if I choose to start driving again.

avgDev 2y ago
Lucid is a bit too expensive for me. However, Hyundai seems to make decent EVs. I will consider one after I upgrade my electrical panel to support decent charge speed.
- r00fus 2y ago
  The newest Kia (Hyundai's sister brand) EV6 can also do massive V2L - can support 12kW power - combine that with a transfer switch, and your car doubles as your backup battery/generator.
cchance 2y ago
Too expensive, thats the big issue, EV's that are decent outside of tesla are just so fuckin expensive, or from legacy automakers that seem to just want to shove a EV engine in a shitty old design
- NewJazz 2y ago
  Eh, IMHO both Hyundai and GM have really tried with their latest platforms to make a range of quality EVs.
- babyent 2y ago
  Lucid is a luxury brand and it has a better quality interior and comfort than a Tesla. I’ve only ever owned a Tesla, Mazda, Subaru, and a Honda so note that’s my only personal experience. I used to have a P3D, and Tesla interiors do feel quite lacking compared to the Lucid Air I sat in at the mall. My friend has had a Lucid for a while and it still has a solid feel. I didn’t hear any creaks or rattles and it felt solid inside, if that makes sense.
Scottn1 2y ago
Lucid is majority controlled by Saudi PIF. https://eletric-vehicles.com/lucid/saudi-pif-now-controls-64-3-of-lucid-motors-sec-filing-reveals/ https://eletric-vehicles.com/lucid/saudi-pif-now-controls-64...

benjaminwootton 2y ago

I'm not really anti Elon, in fact I agree with a lot of what he says, but I just cannot get over that paedo comment. That said a lot about his character.

FloorEgg 2y ago
100% same re the pedo tweet. Though sometimes I remember how just about everyone in my life that I love, respect and have spent a lot of time with has said something stupid, insecure, distasteful or offensive at some point. Everyone makes mistakes and says or does something out of character when they are at their worst. The difference with Elon is that so much of what he says is so public. Some of my friends who are extremely anti-Elon biased will say things like " as a CEO of a company he shouldn't be so public about his opinions", and I don't get why they feel that way. I ask inquisitively and I never get a clear logical answer that doesn't resemble something like "because I don't like his opinions". However, as far as I can tell their opinions of his opinions is based on some article they read, and not from a long-form conversation or statement where all the nuance and context of his opinions is included. It seems like people's opinion of Elon has everything to do with what information they have, and what information they have has everything to do with where they are getting it. Some people have listened to the podcast interviews Elon has been on and have a more in-depth grasp of his stances on things with all the nuance, and some people only read articles about an outrageous tweet he made. If you only get one or the other of these channels of information, you will have very different perspectives on him.
- kanbara 2y ago
  he should keep his opinions to himself because he wields more power than billions of people combined, is the richest man in the world, and has said and done pretty heinous things. platforming nazis and right-wing white supremacists, siding with fascists who tried to stage a coup, calls for the murder of muslims, calls for the removal of rights for trans people, and is now calling for treason charges against politicians who did not support donald trump. not only that, but he disowned his child, calls people slurs and insults them for not supporting him, and is just generally an unpleasant person. he bought an election and unfathomable power, pretty uncool if you ask me. he also hasn't said one or two messed up things, he tweets them every second. if you are apologising for a racist/white supremacist/nazi/fascist you should look very heavily in the mirror. and if you support the things he supports, well, good luck.