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I haven't seen Mufasa - is Kiros actually a "villain"? Disney has moved away from classic villains in a lot of their animated stories; I seem to remember readin

I haven't seen Mufasa - is Kiros actually a "villain"? Disney has moved away from classic villains in a lot of their animated stories; I seem to remember reading that this was intentional and that they started moving this direction in their storywriting with Frozen, progressed it with Moana (whose "major antagonist" is a mute force of nature and minor antagonist is a silly hurdle to be jumped), and fully realized it with Encanto, which has no singular antagonist at all. The jerks in these movies end up getting songs that make them out to be silly jerks - minor obstacles on the hero's journey. They don't get villain songs because they're not deserving of them, and the story isn't about defeating a villain, it's about fixing past mistakes/restoring the balance of nature/realizing one's potential/etc.

eumenides1 2y ago
Encanto's villain is the concept of generational trauma and manifested by grandma. I believe she isn't evil, just traumatized and passing it on to the next generation unwittingly. Others believe her to be evil because real life people don't stop being who they are after a song number. I think it's a really innovative villain because generational trauma is real and lots of people have to deal with it. It some times takes more than one generation to leave a vicious cycle.
- WorldMaker 2y ago
  Also, "We Don't Talk About Bruno" serves the role of a Villain Song in Encanto and roughly the place in the story where the Villain Song fits, but beautifully subverts expectations and illustrates the generational trauma as its consequences in gossip and hearsay in a rather strong way, while also being the kind of "banger" and preternatural earworm that a good Villain Song can be.
rayiner 2y ago
Kiros is a villain. He just wants to kill everyone. There’s throwaway two sentences about how the white lions are mad because they’re born different or whatever but it’s quickly swept aside.

eumenides1 2y ago

Encanto's villain is the concept of generational trauma and manifested by grandma. I believe she isn't evil, just traumatized and passing it on to the next generation unwittingly. Others believe her to be evil because real life people don't stop being who they are after a song number. I think it's a really innovative villain because generational trauma is real and lots of people have to deal with it. It some times takes more than one generation to leave a vicious cycle.

WorldMaker 2y ago
Also, "We Don't Talk About Bruno" serves the role of a Villain Song in Encanto and roughly the place in the story where the Villain Song fits, but beautifully subverts expectations and illustrates the generational trauma as its consequences in gossip and hearsay in a rather strong way, while also being the kind of "banger" and preternatural earworm that a good Villain Song can be.

rayiner 2y ago

Kiros is a villain. He just wants to kill everyone. There’s throwaway two sentences about how the white lions are mad because they’re born different or whatever but it’s quickly swept aside.