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Never? Japan and Korea have recovered from very similar reputations very nicely indeed.
by gilrain 14y ago
Never? Japan and Korea have recovered from very similar reputations very nicely indeed.
- dinkumthinkum 14y agoSure but Japan and Korea and completely different from China (ok, who knows, maybe there won't be ditch executions in China in 200 years).
- gilrain 14y agoI don't know as much about Korea, but Japan had plenty of pretty atrocious human rights violations of its own which it also recovered from. Yes, China is different. I'm just saying, "never say never".
- pvarangot 14y agoLast time the Japanese systematically vivisected women and children without anaesthesia, including live amputation of limbs and injection of bacteria was between 1935 and 1945. That is about 70 years ago, not 200.
- dinkumthinkum 14y agoAbsolutely, the Japanese did some pretty heinous things. But Japan and South Korea are different in a way none of the responses have dealt with. China is still behaving badly and a fundamental change in their government looks generations and generations away, if it is even on the horizon.
- luser001 14y agoThis is essential watching to understand China better. IMHO. YMMV. I changed a lot of my opinions after watching this talk. http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/martin_jacques_understanding_the_rise_of_china.html http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/martin_jacques_understandin...
- Rastafarian 14y agoYou've had too much TV propaganda IMHO. China's bureaucrats nowadays have way more respect for their people than South Korea's elite. No idea about Japan.
- dinkumthinkum 14y agoI haven't had too much "TV propaganda." Maybe you haven't spent enough time with actual Chinese people. This is just jibber jabber. I'm sure some are in the audience, do you feel respected by Chinese bureaucrats? Come on. That's not even a serious response; it's like one of those "I'm going to make a provocative point that is counter the mainstream. DOWN WITH TV NOW -- NO BIG BOX RETAIL FOREVER!!" bogus statements.
- Rastafarian 14y agoWell .. yeap, TV in 21 century is for the most stupid part of population - those incapable of any independent thinking and research. Japan and SK being close allies to NATO and China enemy number one or two makes for a natural bias in Western TV coverage. I've spend most of the last 14 years doing business in SK and China, which gives me some confidence to confront the "mainstream" TV propaganda. Edit: just had this open in the next tab: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanholiday/2012/07/16/what-is-media-manipulation-a-definition-and-explanation/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanholiday/2012/07/16/what-is-m...
- Steko 14y agoSuggested followup: Taiwan also very different culturally from China.
- ttran4 14y agoI can't remember the time when Japan and Korea was like China today but you're right, there's no such thing as never. It will just be a lot more difficult for them because they have a history of building crappy products and counterfeit goods. To us they are like a felon trying to find a job. We make judgements based on their history and it will take a lot of convincing to prove themselves.