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> There's legal and then there's needing 5 certifications, yearly renewals etc etc in order to avoid destroying your tractor for handling common nuisance on the

> There's legal and then there's needing 5 certifications, yearly renewals etc etc in order to avoid destroying your tractor for handling common nuisance on the farm. You're grossly representing what regulation covers or means. In this context, regulation means things like health and safety. Those who feel the need to buy explosives need to transport them around and store them. This means sitting in traffic next to someone carrying them in the trunk, or living next to someone sitting on a supply. Society is fine with you blowing up your tractor, but not killing your neighbors, employees, or any passer-by due to your gross irresponsibility. Consequently, if you really want to buy explosives then you must learn and prove that you know how to safely handle them. Do you think that is too much to ask?

defrost 2y ago
The health and safety aspects of routine handling of TNT have more to do with the carcinogenic possibilities and absolute risk of anemia and abnormal liver function if not treated as a toxin. As an explosive it's relatively stable .. but those health risks are exactly why the regulations around it are strict and why the "bomb girls" in WWII factories turned yellow and died young. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Girls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Girls
- lazide 2y ago
  Nothing in those federal regulations has anything to do with toxicity?
  - defrost 2y ago
    If that's a question then the answer is yes, there is plenty that is health related in the TNT (explosive) handling regulations. Simply: What recommendations has the federal government made to protect human health? The government has developed regulations and guidelines for 2,4,6-trinitrotoluene. These are designed to protect the public and workers exposed to 2,4,6-trinitrotoluene from potential harmful health effects of the chemical. Since 2,4,6- trinitrotoluene is explosive, flammable, and toxic, EPA has designated it as a hazardous waste. The Department of Transportation (DOT) regulates the transport of 2,4,6-trinitrotoluene because it is a hazardous material. DOT specifies that when 2,4,6- trinitrotoluene is shipped, it must be wet with at least 10% water (by weight) and it must be clearly labeled as a flammable solid. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) regulates levels of hazardous materials in the workplace. The maximum allowable amount of 2,4,6-trinitrotoluene in workroom air during an 8-hour workday, 40-hour workweek, is 0.5 mg/m3. The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) recommends that the concentration in workroom air be limited to 0.5 mg/m3 for up to a 10-hour workday during a 40-hour workweek. ~ https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/PHS/PHS.aspx?phsid=675&toxid=125 https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/PHS/PHS.aspx?phsid=675&toxid=125
    - lazide 2y ago
      which has nothing to do with the ATF, which is the topic of this thread?
      - defrost 2y ago
        You explicitly asked about (US) Federal regulations? I replied with an excerpt from a (US) Federal regulatory body?
        lazide 2y ago
        We were talking about criminal penalties.
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        motorest 2y ago
        > We were talking about criminal penalties. No. We were talking about regulation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42572449 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42572449
        lazide 2y ago
        Ah, well then you do realize that OSHA regulation also doesn’t apply to personal, non-commercial use? And the DOT regulation doesn’t apply to things made and used on site? (Aka not transported)
        defrost 2y ago
        > If TNT was legal to own I'd be buying it for my farm. ( upthread @ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42567255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42567255 ) US OSHA regulations do apply to agricultural operations. https://www.safeagsystems.com/blog/osh-act-and-agriculture https://www.safeagsystems.com/blog/osh-act-and-agriculture

defrost 2y ago

The health and safety aspects of routine handling of TNT have more to do with the carcinogenic possibilities and absolute risk of anemia and abnormal liver function if not treated as a toxin. As an explosive it's relatively stable .. but those health risks are exactly why the regulations around it are strict and why the "bomb girls" in WWII factories turned yellow and died young. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Girls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Girls

lazide 2y ago
Nothing in those federal regulations has anything to do with toxicity?
- defrost 2y ago
  If that's a question then the answer is yes, there is plenty that is health related in the TNT (explosive) handling regulations. Simply: What recommendations has the federal government made to protect human health? The government has developed regulations and guidelines for 2,4,6-trinitrotoluene. These are designed to protect the public and workers exposed to 2,4,6-trinitrotoluene from potential harmful health effects of the chemical. Since 2,4,6- trinitrotoluene is explosive, flammable, and toxic, EPA has designated it as a hazardous waste. The Department of Transportation (DOT) regulates the transport of 2,4,6-trinitrotoluene because it is a hazardous material. DOT specifies that when 2,4,6- trinitrotoluene is shipped, it must be wet with at least 10% water (by weight) and it must be clearly labeled as a flammable solid. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) regulates levels of hazardous materials in the workplace. The maximum allowable amount of 2,4,6-trinitrotoluene in workroom air during an 8-hour workday, 40-hour workweek, is 0.5 mg/m3. The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) recommends that the concentration in workroom air be limited to 0.5 mg/m3 for up to a 10-hour workday during a 40-hour workweek. ~ https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/PHS/PHS.aspx?phsid=675&toxid=125 https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/PHS/PHS.aspx?phsid=675&toxid=125
  - lazide 2y ago
    which has nothing to do with the ATF, which is the topic of this thread?
    - defrost 2y ago
      You explicitly asked about (US) Federal regulations? I replied with an excerpt from a (US) Federal regulatory body?
      - lazide 2y ago
        We were talking about criminal penalties.
        deleted 2y ago
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        motorest 2y ago
        > We were talking about criminal penalties. No. We were talking about regulation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42572449 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42572449
        lazide 2y ago
        Ah, well then you do realize that OSHA regulation also doesn’t apply to personal, non-commercial use? And the DOT regulation doesn’t apply to things made and used on site? (Aka not transported)
        defrost 2y ago
        > If TNT was legal to own I'd be buying it for my farm. ( upthread @ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42567255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42567255 ) US OSHA regulations do apply to agricultural operations. https://www.safeagsystems.com/blog/osh-act-and-agriculture https://www.safeagsystems.com/blog/osh-act-and-agriculture