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Yes, but they do so selectively for what's against their interest. The net, filtered result is what's in their interest. That leaves "mutual assured dialogue d

Yes, but they do so selectively for what's against their interest. The net, filtered result is what's in their interest. That leaves "mutual assured dialogue destruction" as the only option, IMO.

Animats 2y ago
> Yes, but they do so selectively for what's against their interest. Generating division is sufficient. There were Russian attempts to hack both campaigns in the last US election.[1] [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-sanctions-russian-iranian-entities-attempted-election-interference-rcna185880 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-sancti...
- friend_Fernando 2y ago
  They're usually not filtering pro-left or pro-right. They're filtering pro-Russian-faction within the left and right. This usually means extremists that used to have no hope of winning in the pre-Internet days. These factions are more likely to be beholden to their "troll benefactors" afterwards. But even if they turn out to be ungrateful, the extremism itself is worth pursuing. As you said, confusion and division are useful in their own right. Add other rogue countries to the mix, and you end up with a nasty filter. We should turn it into white noise, or at least drop its SNR.
BeetleB 2y ago
> Yes, but they do so selectively for what's against their interest. The net, filtered result is what's in their interest. Not really. You can go and see the ads Russia placed on Facebook in the 2016 election. They had pro-life and pro-choice ads. They had pro-LGBTQ and anti-LGBTQ ads. They had pro-guns and anti-guns ads.
- friend_Fernando 2y ago
  I don't think we disagree here, unless you saw some pro-Ukraine 2024 ads. It's not about left and right. To demagogues, ideologies are just tools of the trade.
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    In the communist era russian propaganda had a definite ideological position. It was also far more effective. Much of the 60s era progressive politics was a result of russian influence and the west was full of communists before the tankies split off.

Yes, but they do so selectively for what's against their interest. The net, filtered result is what's in their interest. That leaves "mutual assured dialogue destruction" as the only option, IMO.

Animats 2y ago

> Yes, but they do so selectively for what's against their interest. Generating division is sufficient. There were Russian attempts to hack both campaigns in the last US election.[1] [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-sanctions-russian-iranian-entities-attempted-election-interference-rcna185880 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-sancti...

friend_Fernando 2y ago
They're usually not filtering pro-left or pro-right. They're filtering pro-Russian-faction within the left and right. This usually means extremists that used to have no hope of winning in the pre-Internet days. These factions are more likely to be beholden to their "troll benefactors" afterwards. But even if they turn out to be ungrateful, the extremism itself is worth pursuing. As you said, confusion and division are useful in their own right. Add other rogue countries to the mix, and you end up with a nasty filter. We should turn it into white noise, or at least drop its SNR.

BeetleB 2y ago

> Yes, but they do so selectively for what's against their interest. The net, filtered result is what's in their interest. Not really. You can go and see the ads Russia placed on Facebook in the 2016 election. They had pro-life and pro-choice ads. They had pro-LGBTQ and anti-LGBTQ ads. They had pro-guns and anti-guns ads.

friend_Fernando 2y ago
I don't think we disagree here, unless you saw some pro-Ukraine 2024 ads. It's not about left and right. To demagogues, ideologies are just tools of the trade.
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  In the communist era russian propaganda had a definite ideological position. It was also far more effective. Much of the 60s era progressive politics was a result of russian influence and the west was full of communists before the tankies split off.