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Some (most) large corporations designate VP titles to non-vp work as a means of attempting to bypass labor laws protecting overtime payments to workers. It is a

Some (most) large corporations designate VP titles to non-vp work as a means of attempting to bypass labor laws protecting overtime payments to workers. It is a mostly illegal practice but violations tend to be overlooked and the practice has become fairly widespread. IMO it speaks volumes about the (slave-like) working conditions one is likely to encounter in businesses engaging in such practices.

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codingdave 2y ago
Which country has job title as a criteria for whether or not you are an exempt employee? In the USA, it is not: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17a-overtime https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17a-overtime
- keernan 2y ago
  I am not sure what point you think you are making, but you are simply confirming my post. It is illegal to fail to pay overtime as mandated by labor laws. Yet many Fortune 500 companies will have hundreds if not thousands of employees given the title of VP. And companies that follow that practice expect those employees to work well beyond 40 hours per week yet never pay any OT. To be clear, these employees do not exercise control over any other employees. Do not perform oversight functions. They do not engage in any practice one would normally associate with executive functions. They are merely employees performing normal individual work but given the VP title, together with hundreds and thousands of others in the corporation.
  - codingdave 2y ago
    The point is that you are 100% off-track on job titles having anything to do with it. All tech workers are exempt. Focusing on a small slice of them who have a VP title is ignoring 99% of the very problem that you are getting worked up over. If you want to fight for overtime pay for salaried employees, go for it... but you are ranting down the wrong path when you act like a job title is relevant.
    - keernan 2y ago
      Again, you are 100% missing my point. I am fully aware that the job title has no legal bearing on overtime. The job title is used to mislead the employees into believing they are not entitled to OT.

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codingdave 2y ago

Which country has job title as a criteria for whether or not you are an exempt employee? In the USA, it is not: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17a-overtime https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17a-overtime

keernan 2y ago
I am not sure what point you think you are making, but you are simply confirming my post. It is illegal to fail to pay overtime as mandated by labor laws. Yet many Fortune 500 companies will have hundreds if not thousands of employees given the title of VP. And companies that follow that practice expect those employees to work well beyond 40 hours per week yet never pay any OT. To be clear, these employees do not exercise control over any other employees. Do not perform oversight functions. They do not engage in any practice one would normally associate with executive functions. They are merely employees performing normal individual work but given the VP title, together with hundreds and thousands of others in the corporation.
- codingdave 2y ago
  The point is that you are 100% off-track on job titles having anything to do with it. All tech workers are exempt. Focusing on a small slice of them who have a VP title is ignoring 99% of the very problem that you are getting worked up over. If you want to fight for overtime pay for salaried employees, go for it... but you are ranting down the wrong path when you act like a job title is relevant.
  - keernan 2y ago
    Again, you are 100% missing my point. I am fully aware that the job title has no legal bearing on overtime. The job title is used to mislead the employees into believing they are not entitled to OT.