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> Youtube toxicity is real for me. No matter what I downvote, the same kinds of radicalizing videos make their way through. I don't have that problem. I think

> Youtube toxicity is real for me. No matter what I downvote, the same kinds of radicalizing videos make their way through. I don't have that problem. I think it is because I subscribed to a bunch of nerd channels and those have more influence that watching a few seconds of a random video in the recommender they have.

red-iron-pine 2y ago
lets test this: watch two videos, one from joe rogan, like rogan clips, etc., and one about anything vaguely military, like the history of guns or something. you will see nothing but jordan peterson, preger u, etc. clips for ~2 weeks in your feed. at this point i don't even attempt to test the waters or do some sort of good-faith attempt to understand the ideology / hear what they have to say, since it will, immediately and aggressively start spamming me with hard right content for months.
- tzs 2y ago
  Google is sometimes just baffling with how actions affect recommendations. Someone I know posted a link on Facebook to a YouTube video of Dave Grohl inviting a kid from the audience onstage to play guitar at a concert. I watched it. I had no idea who Dave Grohl was. I saw from the video that his band is the Foo Fighters. I have heard of them but I'm never sought out their music or watched any videos of them. I've probably heard them in passing without knowing it. I can't name any songs of theirs and don't even know what genres of music they play. Even after watching that video I don't recognize any of the songs because the song they played with the kid was a cover of a Metallica song. At this point everyone no doubt expects me to say how my YouTube feed was then full of Dave Grohl and/or Foo Fighter videos. Nope. Not a one. Nor were there any of the other videos YouTube likes to recommend when they think you might be interested in a particular artist. No videos of people covering the artist on other instruments. No videos of reactors reacting to the artist. No videos analyzing the music theory of their songs. No tutorials on how to play their songs on guitar. Nothing. But on Google News for the next month or two pretty much everything in the section where they make recommendations based on your interests was about Dave Grohl. It mostly wasn't even stuff about his music. It was almost all celebrity gossip stuff. How the heck did my watching a YouTube video end up having such a big influence on the Google New recommendations but have no apparent affect at all on YouTube? I wonder if it is because I got to the YouTube video from a Facebook link? Maybe Facebook users who follow links to videos about a celebrity have a high probability of being interested in gossip about the celebrity?

red-iron-pine 2y ago

lets test this: watch two videos, one from joe rogan, like rogan clips, etc., and one about anything vaguely military, like the history of guns or something. you will see nothing but jordan peterson, preger u, etc. clips for ~2 weeks in your feed. at this point i don't even attempt to test the waters or do some sort of good-faith attempt to understand the ideology / hear what they have to say, since it will, immediately and aggressively start spamming me with hard right content for months.

tzs 2y ago
Google is sometimes just baffling with how actions affect recommendations. Someone I know posted a link on Facebook to a YouTube video of Dave Grohl inviting a kid from the audience onstage to play guitar at a concert. I watched it. I had no idea who Dave Grohl was. I saw from the video that his band is the Foo Fighters. I have heard of them but I'm never sought out their music or watched any videos of them. I've probably heard them in passing without knowing it. I can't name any songs of theirs and don't even know what genres of music they play. Even after watching that video I don't recognize any of the songs because the song they played with the kid was a cover of a Metallica song. At this point everyone no doubt expects me to say how my YouTube feed was then full of Dave Grohl and/or Foo Fighter videos. Nope. Not a one. Nor were there any of the other videos YouTube likes to recommend when they think you might be interested in a particular artist. No videos of people covering the artist on other instruments. No videos of reactors reacting to the artist. No videos analyzing the music theory of their songs. No tutorials on how to play their songs on guitar. Nothing. But on Google News for the next month or two pretty much everything in the section where they make recommendations based on your interests was about Dave Grohl. It mostly wasn't even stuff about his music. It was almost all celebrity gossip stuff. How the heck did my watching a YouTube video end up having such a big influence on the Google New recommendations but have no apparent affect at all on YouTube? I wonder if it is because I got to the YouTube video from a Facebook link? Maybe Facebook users who follow links to videos about a celebrity have a high probability of being interested in gossip about the celebrity?