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I read an interesting book called Dateonomics and if it is to be believed (don't have a copy handy, so can't go to its original sources), a sufficient supply of

I read an interesting book called Dateonomics and if it is to be believed (don't have a copy handy, so can't go to its original sources), a sufficient supply of educated men is why many women remain single. The book also discussed how that impacted college hookup culture, with hookup culture the worst at the most lopsided institutions as the men had a lot of choice. So if they are motivated by competing for women, it would make sense to go where the women are and be sure to match them in terms of educational attainment. The original article argues the opposite.

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toomuchtodo 2y ago
> I read an interesting book called Dateonomics and if it is to be believed (don't have a copy handy, so can't go to its original sources), a sufficient supply of educated men is why many women remain single. I have a copy at hand, and looking through the book, my understanding of the thesis is "Women won't date down." Below is copy paste from the LibGen record, won't link to it here, you can find it easily (md5=CDB645FB7FEC5F4DBD5D97EC7989AE50, ISBN 076118208X, 9780761182085). > It’s not that he’s just not that into you—it’s that there aren’t enough of him. And the numbers prove it. Using a combination of demographics, statistics, game theory, and number-crunching, Date-onomics tells what every single, college-educated, heterosexual, looking-for-a-partner woman needs to know: The “man deficit” is real. It’s a fascinating, if sobering read, with two critical takeaways: One, it’s not you. Two, knowledge is power, so here’s what to do about it. > The shortage of college-educated men is not just a big-city phenomenon frustrating women in New York and L.A. Among young college grads, there are four eligible women for every three men nationwide. This unequal ratio explains not only why it’s so hard to find a date, but a host of social issues, from the college hookup culture to the reason Salt Lake City is becoming the breast implant capital of America. Then there’s the math that says that a woman’s good looks can keep men from approaching her—particularly if they feel the odds aren’t in their favor. > Fortunately, there are also solutions: what college to attend (any with strong sciences or math), where to hang out (in New York, try a fireman’s bar), where to live (Colorado, Seattle, “Man” Jose), and why never to shy away from giving an ultimatum. Summary of the book provided by ChatGPT to compare to: https://chatgpt.com/share/6775c0cd-ea14-8004-836c-0a8e50918d0d https://chatgpt.com/share/6775c0cd-ea14-8004-836c-0a8e50918d...
- MattGaiser 2y ago
  Pretty much. So if they were competing for women, skipping college knocks them out of the pool for an increasingly larger number of women.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    Do they know this? To me, that seems like the logical next step, interviewing young men to understand the mental model and potential forward looking paths they believe available in this macro.
    - MattGaiser 2y ago
      I agree that would be the next line of investigation. Although them not knowing this would mean the OP's argument is incorrect.
tuatoru 2y ago
Competing with women in any arena is at best zero-sum for men. Do better than women and you get no prestige. Do worse than any woman and you lose a lot of prestige. Both among men, and with women. That is the basis of the argument for the tipping point theory

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toomuchtodo 2y ago

> I read an interesting book called Dateonomics and if it is to be believed (don't have a copy handy, so can't go to its original sources), a sufficient supply of educated men is why many women remain single. I have a copy at hand, and looking through the book, my understanding of the thesis is "Women won't date down." Below is copy paste from the LibGen record, won't link to it here, you can find it easily (md5=CDB645FB7FEC5F4DBD5D97EC7989AE50, ISBN 076118208X, 9780761182085). > It’s not that he’s just not that into you—it’s that there aren’t enough of him. And the numbers prove it. Using a combination of demographics, statistics, game theory, and number-crunching, Date-onomics tells what every single, college-educated, heterosexual, looking-for-a-partner woman needs to know: The “man deficit” is real. It’s a fascinating, if sobering read, with two critical takeaways: One, it’s not you. Two, knowledge is power, so here’s what to do about it. > The shortage of college-educated men is not just a big-city phenomenon frustrating women in New York and L.A. Among young college grads, there are four eligible women for every three men nationwide. This unequal ratio explains not only why it’s so hard to find a date, but a host of social issues, from the college hookup culture to the reason Salt Lake City is becoming the breast implant capital of America. Then there’s the math that says that a woman’s good looks can keep men from approaching her—particularly if they feel the odds aren’t in their favor. > Fortunately, there are also solutions: what college to attend (any with strong sciences or math), where to hang out (in New York, try a fireman’s bar), where to live (Colorado, Seattle, “Man” Jose), and why never to shy away from giving an ultimatum. Summary of the book provided by ChatGPT to compare to: https://chatgpt.com/share/6775c0cd-ea14-8004-836c-0a8e50918d0d https://chatgpt.com/share/6775c0cd-ea14-8004-836c-0a8e50918d...

MattGaiser 2y ago
Pretty much. So if they were competing for women, skipping college knocks them out of the pool for an increasingly larger number of women.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Do they know this? To me, that seems like the logical next step, interviewing young men to understand the mental model and potential forward looking paths they believe available in this macro.
  - MattGaiser 2y ago
    I agree that would be the next line of investigation. Although them not knowing this would mean the OP's argument is incorrect.

tuatoru 2y ago

Competing with women in any arena is at best zero-sum for men. Do better than women and you get no prestige. Do worse than any woman and you lose a lot of prestige. Both among men, and with women. That is the basis of the argument for the tipping point theory