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We're perfectly aware of this, just as we're aware a large part of the starvation the US was saving Indians from was due to decades of the British forcing them

We're perfectly aware of this, just as we're aware a large part of the starvation the US was saving Indians from was due to decades of the British forcing them to grow cash crops instead of food. An American collection of Indian works is no more a "colonial library" than an American collection of Irish works or of Canadian works.

fuzztester 2y ago
I may reply more comprehensively later, but a few points for now: >decades of the British forcing JFC. A few centuries, is more like it. That's how long the Brits enslaved India(ns) for, which could happen at all, and then continue, due to multiple reasons on both sides, including, as one interesting reason, some Indian groups (think small "kingdoms") backstabbing others, and colluding with the British, which is why Alexander won over Porus, it is said in some history books. Maybe check British colonial history and history of India, in obvious places such as Wikipedia and Britannica (ironically, for the latter). Also read about Winston Churchill and the Bengal famine, in which millions died, but don't just limit yourself to Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhusree_Mukerjee#cite_note-2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhusree_Mukerjee#cite_note... http://www.madhusree.com/ http://www.madhusree.com/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill%27s_Secret_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill%27s_Secret_War There, did some of your homework for you. And let's not forget: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism which you too seem to display in your comment, at least going by: >the starvation the US was saving Indians from Sure, they may have saved them from it (I was a kid at the time, too young to look it up in depth, but I vaguely remember reading / hearing something about it, including some newspaper scandals about the quality of some of the food supplied by the US - milo is one term I somewhat recollect, but I don't know the details), but they did not necessarily do it (only) for noble or altruistic intentions. I would not be surprised if there was some quid pro quo demanded or made a condition for the help, as often is the case when the World Bank or the International Monetary Fund gave financial aid to developing countries in times of crisis. In fact I just did a quick google or two, and this is one link I found: Ghost of PL-480 Returns as India Avoids the Wheat Trap All Over Again: https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/ghost-of-pl-480-returns-as-india-avoids-the-wheat-trap-all-over-again-5227951.html https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/ghost-of-pl-480-returns-... And one more for you, for the new year: US Raising 'Human Rights in India' is Like the Pot Calling the Kettle Black https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/us-raising-human-rights-in-india-is-like-the-pot-calling-the-kettle-black-4976131.html https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/us-raising-human-rights-... And let's not forget that the wrecked state of many such countries was at least in "good" part one of the results of European colonialism. The United States itself was earlier one such colony, as you know. Heard of the Boston tea party? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party I have been to Boston, BTW, and have eaten at Legal Seafoods and other places in downtown Boston. Nice town. I liked the architecture of some of the historical public buildings. I think one of them was the Public Library.
- fuzztester 2y ago
  And one final one for you: History of the Central Intelligence Agency: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Central_Intelligence_Agency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Central_Intel... That is a long and very interesting article. It also has links to more detailed articles on many of the sub topics. Apart from general background information, it has many paragraphs about the way the CIA interfered in the affairs of many countries, including some famous examples that many people outside the US are well aware of.

fuzztester 2y ago

I may reply more comprehensively later, but a few points for now: >decades of the British forcing JFC. A few centuries, is more like it. That's how long the Brits enslaved India(ns) for, which could happen at all, and then continue, due to multiple reasons on both sides, including, as one interesting reason, some Indian groups (think small "kingdoms") backstabbing others, and colluding with the British, which is why Alexander won over Porus, it is said in some history books. Maybe check British colonial history and history of India, in obvious places such as Wikipedia and Britannica (ironically, for the latter). Also read about Winston Churchill and the Bengal famine, in which millions died, but don't just limit yourself to Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhusree_Mukerjee#cite_note-2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhusree_Mukerjee#cite_note... http://www.madhusree.com/ http://www.madhusree.com/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill%27s_Secret_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill%27s_Secret_War There, did some of your homework for you. And let's not forget: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism which you too seem to display in your comment, at least going by: >the starvation the US was saving Indians from Sure, they may have saved them from it (I was a kid at the time, too young to look it up in depth, but I vaguely remember reading / hearing something about it, including some newspaper scandals about the quality of some of the food supplied by the US - milo is one term I somewhat recollect, but I don't know the details), but they did not necessarily do it (only) for noble or altruistic intentions. I would not be surprised if there was some quid pro quo demanded or made a condition for the help, as often is the case when the World Bank or the International Monetary Fund gave financial aid to developing countries in times of crisis. In fact I just did a quick google or two, and this is one link I found: Ghost of PL-480 Returns as India Avoids the Wheat Trap All Over Again: https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/ghost-of-pl-480-returns-as-india-avoids-the-wheat-trap-all-over-again-5227951.html https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/ghost-of-pl-480-returns-... And one more for you, for the new year: US Raising 'Human Rights in India' is Like the Pot Calling the Kettle Black https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/us-raising-human-rights-in-india-is-like-the-pot-calling-the-kettle-black-4976131.html https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/us-raising-human-rights-... And let's not forget that the wrecked state of many such countries was at least in "good" part one of the results of European colonialism. The United States itself was earlier one such colony, as you know. Heard of the Boston tea party? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party I have been to Boston, BTW, and have eaten at Legal Seafoods and other places in downtown Boston. Nice town. I liked the architecture of some of the historical public buildings. I think one of them was the Public Library.

fuzztester 2y ago
And one final one for you: History of the Central Intelligence Agency: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Central_Intelligence_Agency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Central_Intel... That is a long and very interesting article. It also has links to more detailed articles on many of the sub topics. Apart from general background information, it has many paragraphs about the way the CIA interfered in the affairs of many countries, including some famous examples that many people outside the US are well aware of.