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The author should have just come up front and said they're for gender separation to go back to the "Good Ole Days". Instead they hide that in a footnote. Cowar

by p_ing 2y ago

The author should have just come up front and said they're for gender separation to go back to the "Good Ole Days". Instead they hide that in a footnote. Coward.

MattGaiser 2y ago
I am not sure if the author actually supports such action. They just believe it would lead to more men going to college.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  If women don’t need men financially to support them, and young men still want to compete for women, what does college offer them to differentiate in the dating marketplace? The data is robust that a degree is not necessarily a path to high income and wealth, and those are needed (along with status) to compete for a partner. Like China, there are too many men chasing too few women (except in the case of China, that’s because of nation state demographics policy and in the US it is because of empowered women making different choices than what was historically available). https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-yo... https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/09/unmarried-women-men.html https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/09/unmarried-wom... https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/10/05/rising-share-of-u-s-adults-are-living-without-a-spouse-or-partner/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/10/05/rising-... (broadly speaking, nuance and caveats as always)
  - MattGaiser 2y ago
    I read an interesting book called Dateonomics and if it is to be believed (don't have a copy handy, so can't go to its original sources), a sufficient supply of educated men is why many women remain single. The book also discussed how that impacted college hookup culture, with hookup culture the worst at the most lopsided institutions as the men had a lot of choice. So if they are motivated by competing for women, it would make sense to go where the women are and be sure to match them in terms of educational attainment. The original article argues the opposite.
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    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      > I read an interesting book called Dateonomics and if it is to be believed (don't have a copy handy, so can't go to its original sources), a sufficient supply of educated men is why many women remain single. I have a copy at hand, and looking through the book, my understanding of the thesis is "Women won't date down." Below is copy paste from the LibGen record, won't link to it here, you can find it easily (md5=CDB645FB7FEC5F4DBD5D97EC7989AE50, ISBN 076118208X, 9780761182085). > It’s not that he’s just not that into you—it’s that there aren’t enough of him. And the numbers prove it. Using a combination of demographics, statistics, game theory, and number-crunching, Date-onomics tells what every single, college-educated, heterosexual, looking-for-a-partner woman needs to know: The “man deficit” is real. It’s a fascinating, if sobering read, with two critical takeaways: One, it’s not you. Two, knowledge is power, so here’s what to do about it. > The shortage of college-educated men is not just a big-city phenomenon frustrating women in New York and L.A. Among young college grads, there are four eligible women for every three men nationwide. This unequal ratio explains not only why it’s so hard to find a date, but a host of social issues, from the college hookup culture to the reason Salt Lake City is becoming the breast implant capital of America. Then there’s the math that says that a woman’s good looks can keep men from approaching her—particularly if they feel the odds aren’t in their favor. > Fortunately, there are also solutions: what college to attend (any with strong sciences or math), where to hang out (in New York, try a fireman’s bar), where to live (Colorado, Seattle, “Man” Jose), and why never to shy away from giving an ultimatum. Summary of the book provided by ChatGPT to compare to: https://chatgpt.com/share/6775c0cd-ea14-8004-836c-0a8e50918d0d https://chatgpt.com/share/6775c0cd-ea14-8004-836c-0a8e50918d...
      - MattGaiser 2y ago
        Pretty much. So if they were competing for women, skipping college knocks them out of the pool for an increasingly larger number of women.
        2y ago
  - hackable_sand 2y ago
    I lament the world you live in. It sounds loveless and cold.
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      You lament the world we exist in, I am only making observations. Can't change the winds, can only adjust our sails. I am simply a scholar of demographic, social, and economic systems. (partnered for 20+ years, this is not my problem luckily)
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  - robocat 2y ago
    > high income and wealth [is] needed (along with status) to compete for a partner. Only needed if you wish to compete for a high status partner. In my experience, men tend to actually compete against other men, and women compete against women. Men and women often compete for partners as accessories to enhance their own status: they want a high status partner to show off to their own peer-group. Also wealth is mostly used as a status measure: status is the game (not wealth per se).

by p_ing 2y ago

The author should have just come up front and said they're for gender separation to go back to the "Good Ole Days". Instead they hide that in a footnote. Coward.

MattGaiser 2y ago

I am not sure if the author actually supports such action. They just believe it would lead to more men going to college.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
If women don’t need men financially to support them, and young men still want to compete for women, what does college offer them to differentiate in the dating marketplace? The data is robust that a degree is not necessarily a path to high income and wealth, and those are needed (along with status) to compete for a partner. Like China, there are too many men chasing too few women (except in the case of China, that’s because of nation state demographics policy and in the US it is because of empowered women making different choices than what was historically available). https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-yo... https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/09/unmarried-women-men.html https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/09/unmarried-wom... https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/10/05/rising-share-of-u-s-adults-are-living-without-a-spouse-or-partner/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/10/05/rising-... (broadly speaking, nuance and caveats as always)
- MattGaiser 2y ago
  I read an interesting book called Dateonomics and if it is to be believed (don't have a copy handy, so can't go to its original sources), a sufficient supply of educated men is why many women remain single. The book also discussed how that impacted college hookup culture, with hookup culture the worst at the most lopsided institutions as the men had a lot of choice. So if they are motivated by competing for women, it would make sense to go where the women are and be sure to match them in terms of educational attainment. The original article argues the opposite.
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  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    > I read an interesting book called Dateonomics and if it is to be believed (don't have a copy handy, so can't go to its original sources), a sufficient supply of educated men is why many women remain single. I have a copy at hand, and looking through the book, my understanding of the thesis is "Women won't date down." Below is copy paste from the LibGen record, won't link to it here, you can find it easily (md5=CDB645FB7FEC5F4DBD5D97EC7989AE50, ISBN 076118208X, 9780761182085). > It’s not that he’s just not that into you—it’s that there aren’t enough of him. And the numbers prove it. Using a combination of demographics, statistics, game theory, and number-crunching, Date-onomics tells what every single, college-educated, heterosexual, looking-for-a-partner woman needs to know: The “man deficit” is real. It’s a fascinating, if sobering read, with two critical takeaways: One, it’s not you. Two, knowledge is power, so here’s what to do about it. > The shortage of college-educated men is not just a big-city phenomenon frustrating women in New York and L.A. Among young college grads, there are four eligible women for every three men nationwide. This unequal ratio explains not only why it’s so hard to find a date, but a host of social issues, from the college hookup culture to the reason Salt Lake City is becoming the breast implant capital of America. Then there’s the math that says that a woman’s good looks can keep men from approaching her—particularly if they feel the odds aren’t in their favor. > Fortunately, there are also solutions: what college to attend (any with strong sciences or math), where to hang out (in New York, try a fireman’s bar), where to live (Colorado, Seattle, “Man” Jose), and why never to shy away from giving an ultimatum. Summary of the book provided by ChatGPT to compare to: https://chatgpt.com/share/6775c0cd-ea14-8004-836c-0a8e50918d0d https://chatgpt.com/share/6775c0cd-ea14-8004-836c-0a8e50918d...
    - MattGaiser 2y ago
      Pretty much. So if they were competing for women, skipping college knocks them out of the pool for an increasingly larger number of women.
      - 2y ago
- hackable_sand 2y ago
  I lament the world you live in. It sounds loveless and cold.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    You lament the world we exist in, I am only making observations. Can't change the winds, can only adjust our sails. I am simply a scholar of demographic, social, and economic systems. (partnered for 20+ years, this is not my problem luckily)
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- robocat 2y ago
  > high income and wealth [is] needed (along with status) to compete for a partner. Only needed if you wish to compete for a high status partner. In my experience, men tend to actually compete against other men, and women compete against women. Men and women often compete for partners as accessories to enhance their own status: they want a high status partner to show off to their own peer-group. Also wealth is mostly used as a status measure: status is the game (not wealth per se).