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Smokers are a massive burden on the healthcare system, smokers also cause pollution of the air (and ground, due to cigarette butts) in public spaces. It's not

by ath3nd 2y ago

Smokers are a massive burden on the healthcare system, smokers also cause pollution of the air (and ground, due to cigarette butts) in public spaces. It's not one's innate right to pollute our shared air in a public space with a cancerogenic substance, nor is their right to dispose of their trash on the ground. > No need to back it up with numbers, of course. People who smoke are 25-30 times more likely to get lung cancer. The numbers are better for passive smokers, but not by much! If a smoker is smoking around me, I am inhaling their dirty air, which I don't want to. They can go slowly kill and poison themselves in the comfort of their own house, but I don't want to take part in that. Also, even one look at the streets of Milan shows that it's a definite pollution problem: there are cig butts everywhere. If smokers can't manage to responsibly dispose of their own trash, maybe they do deserve a ban and fines. > It is no surprise that Trump alike are winning elections around the globe. It's fine, populists and dictators never stay long enough in the long run. If the populace wants to vote for the likes of Trump for him defending their "right" to pollute the air for others and die young from self-inflicted poisons, then the populace deserves someone like Trump. Milan's local government, however, seems to go in the other direction. Also, Belgium just banned vapes, so there is maybe hope in this world.

Glawen 2y ago
They are not really treating smokers heavily now, and they have a lower life expectancy. In the grand scheme of things, i bet smokers are net contributors to society as: They pay tobacco taxes their whole life and They die younger, so less retirement money to shell out. And please, check out where Milan is on a map. You basically always drive through Milan to get anywhere in Italy, it's a giant motorway crossing. It's really surreal to blame smokers for pollution.
- ath3nd 2y ago
  > In the grand scheme of things, i bet smokers are net contributors to society as. I do believe you are entitled to your opinion, but it's a measured fact that smokers are of a tremendous detriment to health care, finance, and productivity. It's a general consensus that smokers are net negative to society. It's fine to be pushing edgy thoughts, but there are numerous studies about the impact of smokers to society and healthcare, if anyone bothers to look. - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2819203 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4494734/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4494734/ - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091743521001134 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00917... > It's really surreal to blame smokers for pollution. https://fctc.who.int/news-and-resources/spotlight/environment/4.5-trillion-cigarette-butts-are-equal-to-1.69-billion-pounds-of-toxic-trash https://fctc.who.int/news-and-resources/spotlight/environmen... Cigarette butt pollution is real, and in Milan it's reached insane proportions. It makes total sense to both blame smokers for failing to clean their trash, and regulating them out of the public spaces. Additionally, smokers were responsible for a disproportionate amount of indoor pollution when smoking was allowed indoors in public spaces, but thankfully we regulated that. Now it's time to regulate the outdoor smoking and ban smokers to the confines of their own homes.
AngryData 2y ago
Smokers are actually the least costly in healthcare costs because they die of heart attack and stroke at such a high rate, most often right around retirement age, they die before the most costly age related problems come up, and smoking in itself disqualifies people from many common procedures and surgery. You could claim their earlier death causes social and cultural deficits, but from a pure financial point smokers are a boon. Especially once you factor in the income from sin taxes that usually far exceed a person's lifetime medical costs.
hulitu 2y ago
> It's not one's innate right to pollute our shared air in a public space with a cancerogenic substance, nor is their right to dispose of their trash on the ground. DuPont would like to have a word with you. /s

by ath3nd 2y ago

Glawen 2y ago

They are not really treating smokers heavily now, and they have a lower life expectancy. In the grand scheme of things, i bet smokers are net contributors to society as: They pay tobacco taxes their whole life and They die younger, so less retirement money to shell out. And please, check out where Milan is on a map. You basically always drive through Milan to get anywhere in Italy, it's a giant motorway crossing. It's really surreal to blame smokers for pollution.

ath3nd 2y ago
> In the grand scheme of things, i bet smokers are net contributors to society as. I do believe you are entitled to your opinion, but it's a measured fact that smokers are of a tremendous detriment to health care, finance, and productivity. It's a general consensus that smokers are net negative to society. It's fine to be pushing edgy thoughts, but there are numerous studies about the impact of smokers to society and healthcare, if anyone bothers to look. - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2819203 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4494734/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4494734/ - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091743521001134 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00917... > It's really surreal to blame smokers for pollution. https://fctc.who.int/news-and-resources/spotlight/environment/4.5-trillion-cigarette-butts-are-equal-to-1.69-billion-pounds-of-toxic-trash https://fctc.who.int/news-and-resources/spotlight/environmen... Cigarette butt pollution is real, and in Milan it's reached insane proportions. It makes total sense to both blame smokers for failing to clean their trash, and regulating them out of the public spaces. Additionally, smokers were responsible for a disproportionate amount of indoor pollution when smoking was allowed indoors in public spaces, but thankfully we regulated that. Now it's time to regulate the outdoor smoking and ban smokers to the confines of their own homes.

AngryData 2y ago

Smokers are actually the least costly in healthcare costs because they die of heart attack and stroke at such a high rate, most often right around retirement age, they die before the most costly age related problems come up, and smoking in itself disqualifies people from many common procedures and surgery. You could claim their earlier death causes social and cultural deficits, but from a pure financial point smokers are a boon. Especially once you factor in the income from sin taxes that usually far exceed a person's lifetime medical costs.

hulitu 2y ago

> It's not one's innate right to pollute our shared air in a public space with a cancerogenic substance, nor is their right to dispose of their trash on the ground. DuPont would like to have a word with you. /s