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Supposedly the CIA was able to get remote viewing to work at significantly above chance in their experiments, but they weren't able to get it to work reliably e

by namlem 2y ago

Supposedly the CIA was able to get remote viewing to work at significantly above chance in their experiments, but they weren't able to get it to work reliably enough to actually be useful. And there are... downsides to messing with such forces. There was a cult called Leverage that tried to exploit magick and most of them ended up having psychotic breaks.

bnlxbnlx 2y ago
Do you have any sources for this?
- K0balt 2y ago
  Idk about the group, but the CIA FOIA docs were in a recent post here, iirc. I read it in its entirety and it’s basically as it says. Well controlled studies, statistically significant results, not a lot of actionable data from a military perspective. My take is that either ESP works to some extent, or maybe we want our adversaries to think it does. OTOH, I’ve seen some shit that I can’t explain except by just making up an explanation that seems more stupid than the paranormal explanation, so I tend on the side of “probably more to reality than we conventionally think”.
  - overu589 2y ago
    It works quite well, only it takes decades to develop a technology that runs on human minds (rather than silicon.) It takes decades to develop with another “uplifting” you, which you don’t have on account of it being a controlled and coveted field. Those who certainly do run the world through these means are subtle. “Indistinguishable from bullshit or an act of God” subtle. Besides, what can’t you explain away by chance or psychosis? Minds may be networked, the occult society which moderates this is lawless, immoral, and can hear every thought (and memory) in your head. This PDF is a funsy lay guide. Psychonaught is how I got started. Power is not so innocent.
    - K0balt 2y ago
      I did some dabbling in astral travel when I was in my late teens, and diligently studied Abramelin methods as well as those of Crowley et al. My adventures in such were brought to an abrupt halt when I can only say that I experienced either a one time, transient psychotic break or encountered things which I was vigorously convinced needed no more of my tender attention. These experiences, tempered by time and augmented by some other observed and documented phenomenon in my life, led me to reanalyze the Abramelin translations in an effort to elucidate the key elements and remove the hocus-pocus aspects. The hypotheses that I currently hold is that if there is anything to any of this besides distorted perception, it is implicit in a many-worlds observation, in that the bandwidth of probabilities within which we can observe may be somewhat malleable through the appropriate application of isolation from entangling casual interactions and intentional observation. We see some support for this hypothesis through probability manipulation vis-a-vis casimir fields and restrictive cavities. Adjacent to this is a hypothesis that the web of electromagnetic fields carrying data in which most of us are intertwined, along with other forms of instantaneous communication makes casual isolation exceptionally difficult in the 21st century, as causal relationships leak in even in the subtle vibrations of water molecules or anything else that might respond, down to a quantum scale, to information carrying RF signals. This could, in concept, limit efforts to broaden the spectra of observable universes in a similar way that casimir cavities limit the casimir force experienced within. By introducing causal entanglements, we narrow the possible observations. Anyway, my intrinsic belief is that the universe is dark, and cold, and full of terrors lol. Explore carefully, kids.
      - overu589 2y ago
        Yes, most of what is experienced is curated. Large parts of our minds evolved to suppress and filter raw perception, that it does not drive us mad and we can think with clear purpose upon consciously important issues (whatever they may be.) The first years would be spent quieting the mind, though the real work is rigorous and exhausting. Aside from the immense crevasse which cuts one off from even perceiving the many subtle distinctions, those experientially adept may merely manipulate your perception. In fact, without an uplift curating your experience you could not in a thousand years stumble upon Power yourself. Other than the immense difficulty, it really is kind of tame. The wormholes are in our heads. Some are masters in creating their own hyperdimensional space (which the flat lander may have trouble comprehending.) this may be every bit as amazing as generative AI creating an HD interactive experience, or a fuzzy blob in the back of the mind which leaves you with a forever haunting impression. Anything substantive will be trivialized or made taboo (called “insane” ending all argument.) And dark designs do thrive in the shadow of humanity’s incredulity. “Yes Virginia, magic does exist in the world; like all things beautiful, dark minds covet and it is the innocent who pay.”
  - bnlxbnlx 2y ago
    Are there any studies out there that managed to replicate their results? Anyone aware of any they could share?
tempodox 2y ago
> remote viewing It's called a spy sattelite.

by namlem 2y ago

bnlxbnlx 2y ago

Do you have any sources for this?

K0balt 2y ago
Idk about the group, but the CIA FOIA docs were in a recent post here, iirc. I read it in its entirety and it’s basically as it says. Well controlled studies, statistically significant results, not a lot of actionable data from a military perspective. My take is that either ESP works to some extent, or maybe we want our adversaries to think it does. OTOH, I’ve seen some shit that I can’t explain except by just making up an explanation that seems more stupid than the paranormal explanation, so I tend on the side of “probably more to reality than we conventionally think”.
- overu589 2y ago
  It works quite well, only it takes decades to develop a technology that runs on human minds (rather than silicon.) It takes decades to develop with another “uplifting” you, which you don’t have on account of it being a controlled and coveted field. Those who certainly do run the world through these means are subtle. “Indistinguishable from bullshit or an act of God” subtle. Besides, what can’t you explain away by chance or psychosis? Minds may be networked, the occult society which moderates this is lawless, immoral, and can hear every thought (and memory) in your head. This PDF is a funsy lay guide. Psychonaught is how I got started. Power is not so innocent.
  - K0balt 2y ago
    I did some dabbling in astral travel when I was in my late teens, and diligently studied Abramelin methods as well as those of Crowley et al. My adventures in such were brought to an abrupt halt when I can only say that I experienced either a one time, transient psychotic break or encountered things which I was vigorously convinced needed no more of my tender attention. These experiences, tempered by time and augmented by some other observed and documented phenomenon in my life, led me to reanalyze the Abramelin translations in an effort to elucidate the key elements and remove the hocus-pocus aspects. The hypotheses that I currently hold is that if there is anything to any of this besides distorted perception, it is implicit in a many-worlds observation, in that the bandwidth of probabilities within which we can observe may be somewhat malleable through the appropriate application of isolation from entangling casual interactions and intentional observation. We see some support for this hypothesis through probability manipulation vis-a-vis casimir fields and restrictive cavities. Adjacent to this is a hypothesis that the web of electromagnetic fields carrying data in which most of us are intertwined, along with other forms of instantaneous communication makes casual isolation exceptionally difficult in the 21st century, as causal relationships leak in even in the subtle vibrations of water molecules or anything else that might respond, down to a quantum scale, to information carrying RF signals. This could, in concept, limit efforts to broaden the spectra of observable universes in a similar way that casimir cavities limit the casimir force experienced within. By introducing causal entanglements, we narrow the possible observations. Anyway, my intrinsic belief is that the universe is dark, and cold, and full of terrors lol. Explore carefully, kids.
    - overu589 2y ago
      Yes, most of what is experienced is curated. Large parts of our minds evolved to suppress and filter raw perception, that it does not drive us mad and we can think with clear purpose upon consciously important issues (whatever they may be.) The first years would be spent quieting the mind, though the real work is rigorous and exhausting. Aside from the immense crevasse which cuts one off from even perceiving the many subtle distinctions, those experientially adept may merely manipulate your perception. In fact, without an uplift curating your experience you could not in a thousand years stumble upon Power yourself. Other than the immense difficulty, it really is kind of tame. The wormholes are in our heads. Some are masters in creating their own hyperdimensional space (which the flat lander may have trouble comprehending.) this may be every bit as amazing as generative AI creating an HD interactive experience, or a fuzzy blob in the back of the mind which leaves you with a forever haunting impression. Anything substantive will be trivialized or made taboo (called “insane” ending all argument.) And dark designs do thrive in the shadow of humanity’s incredulity. “Yes Virginia, magic does exist in the world; like all things beautiful, dark minds covet and it is the innocent who pay.”
- bnlxbnlx 2y ago
  Are there any studies out there that managed to replicate their results? Anyone aware of any they could share?

tempodox 2y ago

> remote viewing It's called a spy sattelite.