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If the sexual-harrassment allegations are true, then I hope the folks being harrassed get vindication in court and appropriate compensation for their damages.

by sethg 18y ago

If the sexual-harrassment allegations are true, then I hope the folks being harrassed get vindication in court and appropriate compensation for their damages. But I don't think anyone is arguing that AA is making lots of money because the boss sexually harrasses female workers. And even if you weigh AA's management in your moral balance and find it wanting, you can still learn something from the non-repulsive things that the company does. If your high-school calculus teacher turns out to be a child predator, that doesn't invalidate everything you learned about calculus.

blurry 18y ago
Did you read the article? Charney doesn't deny taking part in any of the activities described in the article. How is it an allegation when the guy himself admits it was true? And sorry but your argument is typical straw-man. Of course I don't claim that all apparel ever manufactured disappears out of existence now that we found out about AA's lack of ethics. What's the point of assigning me a clearly retarded point of view just so you can refute it? Obviously I don't think that it would invalidate an entire branch of mathematics if I found out that my calculus teacher was a pedophile. However, I would strongly object to an article profiling a him as ethical and using him as an example for others to follow, which is what the original post is doing.
- dreish 18y ago
  You seem to be approaching this article, and the comments about it, as some sort of effete referendum on whether American Apparel is a good company. Nobody here cares about American Apparel. In the context of news.yc, this article is only interesting in what lessons it might hold for other entrepreneurs. As has been said before, there are undoubtedly positive lessons and cautionary lessons.
- redrobot5050 18y ago
  Um, are you sure you're quoting the article properly? FTA: >Charney says all three women did substandard work and gave no indication before they left that they had felt harassed. Charney says he never engaged in any of the acts of which he is accused. So 8 paragraphs in, the first time mentioning his "sexual crimes" in workplace culture, where it ALSO mentions his response, is a flat out denial. Where does he say he did this?

by sethg 18y ago

blurry 18y ago

Did you read the article? Charney doesn't deny taking part in any of the activities described in the article. How is it an allegation when the guy himself admits it was true? And sorry but your argument is typical straw-man. Of course I don't claim that all apparel ever manufactured disappears out of existence now that we found out about AA's lack of ethics. What's the point of assigning me a clearly retarded point of view just so you can refute it? Obviously I don't think that it would invalidate an entire branch of mathematics if I found out that my calculus teacher was a pedophile. However, I would strongly object to an article profiling a him as ethical and using him as an example for others to follow, which is what the original post is doing.

dreish 18y ago
You seem to be approaching this article, and the comments about it, as some sort of effete referendum on whether American Apparel is a good company. Nobody here cares about American Apparel. In the context of news.yc, this article is only interesting in what lessons it might hold for other entrepreneurs. As has been said before, there are undoubtedly positive lessons and cautionary lessons.
redrobot5050 18y ago
Um, are you sure you're quoting the article properly? FTA: >Charney says all three women did substandard work and gave no indication before they left that they had felt harassed. Charney says he never engaged in any of the acts of which he is accused. So 8 paragraphs in, the first time mentioning his "sexual crimes" in workplace culture, where it ALSO mentions his response, is a flat out denial. Where does he say he did this?