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Interesting philosophy, but you do you. > You can't cause harm to others, but their subjective distaste or apprehension or whatever is not harm. You know ther

Interesting philosophy, but you do you. > You can't cause harm to others, but their subjective distaste or apprehension or whatever is not harm. You know there's a reason that there's never been a successful hyperlibertarian society, right? Some people are assholes.

mmooss 2y ago
This isn't hyperlibertarian or one person's philosophy, it's the foundation of US society, law, and politics. The Declaration of Independence centers on the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Core to the Constitution is the Bill of Rights. Liberty and justice for all; Marines fight for freedom; land of the free, Statue of Liberty, etc. If freedom is only doing things other people like, it's meaningless. Causing harm is one thing. People may not like you - maybe I don't like you. Can I pass a law to jail you?
- devilbunny 2y ago
  Are you persisting in the idea that homeless tent cities are not a harm to those who are subject to them? It’s a bit meme-ish, but sidewalk poop is actually a quality of life issue.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    > tent cities are not a harm to those who are subject to them Nothing inherent about tent cities harms neighbors. They could be badly located but so can lots of things. They suck as housing, but the residents wouldn't be there if they had better options. > It’s a bit meme-ish Whatever this means, who cares? We're talking about shelter and human rights, not memes. > sidewalk poop is actually a quality of life issue Yes, that could be an actual health risk, but I think people are searching for a justification. I'm dubious it's really a big problem, or one that requires taking away anyone's freedom. How about providing a bathroom? If it's ok to take away people's freedom, why don't you give up yours? We could force you to walk down a different sidewalk.

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Interesting philosophy, but you do you. > You can't cause harm to others, but their subjective distaste or apprehension or whatever is not harm. You know ther

by devilbunny 2y ago

mmooss 2y ago
This isn't hyperlibertarian or one person's philosophy, it's the foundation of US society, law, and politics. The Declaration of Independence centers on the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Core to the Constitution is the Bill of Rights. Liberty and justice for all; Marines fight for freedom; land of the free, Statue of Liberty, etc. If freedom is only doing things other people like, it's meaningless. Causing harm is one thing. People may not like you - maybe I don't like you. Can I pass a law to jail you?
- devilbunny 2y ago
  Are you persisting in the idea that homeless tent cities are not a harm to those who are subject to them? It’s a bit meme-ish, but sidewalk poop is actually a quality of life issue.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    > tent cities are not a harm to those who are subject to them Nothing inherent about tent cities harms neighbors. They could be badly located but so can lots of things. They suck as housing, but the residents wouldn't be there if they had better options. > It’s a bit meme-ish Whatever this means, who cares? We're talking about shelter and human rights, not memes. > sidewalk poop is actually a quality of life issue Yes, that could be an actual health risk, but I think people are searching for a justification. I'm dubious it's really a big problem, or one that requires taking away anyone's freedom. How about providing a bathroom? If it's ok to take away people's freedom, why don't you give up yours? We could force you to walk down a different sidewalk.