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> "The sins mentioned here are among the many sins that the Jews committed, which caused them to be cursed and removed far away from right guidance. The Jews br

> "The sins mentioned here are among the many sins that the Jews committed, which caused them to be cursed and removed far away from right guidance. The Jews broke the promises and vows that Allah took from them", "their hearts are sealed because of their disbelief", "their hearts became accustomed to Kufr, transgression and weak faith" - the list is long. All of this is specific to individuals who have transgressed at that time. Islam is very very clear on the idea that "No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another" As mentioned in 39:7 "If you disbelieve, then ˹know that˺ Allah is truly not in need of you, nor does He approve of disbelief from His servants. But if you become grateful ˹through faith˺, He will appreciate that from you. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of what you used to do. He certainly knows best what is ˹hidden˺ in the heart." And many other places: 17:15, 6:164, 35:18 ...

yoavm 2y ago
This is getting a little ridiculous... Your question was what parts of the Quran could be considered controversial. I'm really not looking for religious explanations. If you cannot see why having a text that says Jews committed crimes and are cursed, even if it's actually about some very specific Jews in the past, then I guess we don't agree on the definition of "controversial".
- bobxmax 2y ago
  I don't think you know what anti-semitic means. That passage is talking about a very specific group of people and what happened to them. It has nothing to do with Jews in general as a race/people. Just because a sentence has the word "Jew" in it and isn't wildly positive doesn't automatically make it anti-semitic. There are other parts where it talks about Arabs who transgressed and were cursed - is the Qur'an now anti-Arab? Unfortunately this is the Islamophobic disinformation that's spread, primarily from 2 countries (Israel and India), and people like you happily parrot. I suspect this is because unlike Judaism, criticizing Islam/Muslims is socially acceptable. And again, nothing you said remotely compares to the Torah which calls for child rape, infanticide and genocide. Which was the point of my original comment. Agnostic West African with a partial doctorate in scriptural studies btw.
  - pmarreck 2y ago
    > Just because a sentence has the word "Jew" in it and isn't wildly positive doesn't automatically make it anti-semitic. LOL, this is quite the impressive goalpost-moving. I'm sure all the terrorists who believe they will attain Jannat al-Firdous by becoming Shaheed while killing Israelis (thanks to Sunan Ibn Majah 2799, Book 24, Hadith 47) are making the same distinction you are. Quran 2:80, Quran 5:82, Quran 9:29, Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 176 and Sahih Muslim 41:6985 and Sahih al-Bukhari 3593 (of course), Surah 9:30 actually makes a provably false statement about Jewish belief, Surah 98:6... I can continue if you'd like, or you can continue to insist that the book is not only hugely anti-semitic but also anti-christian (although to an admittedly lesser degree) I am a complete skeptical agnostic at this point (although I was born Catholic). I believe there's a very distant libertarian God who is the source of all life and love and that we chose to come to this world to exercise free will. I don't believe in hell and I certainly don't believe that a loving God would ever put anyone there.
    - bobxmax 2y ago
      Good god what a stupid post. I knew I was in for a treat when you claimed a Hasan hadith was being used to justify murdering people, but then you followed it up with every verse you could find vaguely mentioning Jews and even some completely unrelated to them. It's like reading a fundie from Louisiana's "evidence" against vaccines on Facebook. "USAF Veteran" - OK makes sense now. You emptied your brain and drank the Kool-Aid a long time ago.
      - pmarreck 2y ago
        Only a person with weak arguments has to attack the person making them instead of the argument itself, so thanks for taking the L dude. The truth has finally come out. You are, in fact, the original moron. If you can’t tell that it’s all bullshit, then that’s exactly what you are. A loving God is not also a threatening and punitive one. Because that makes no sense to anyone with a brain who has decided to actually use it. You’re in a death cult, or a useful idiot supporting one, and furthermore, the defense of Western values, per your ignorant and naïve Air Force remark, is absolutely worth it, and to hell with anyone who disagrees. I would gladly serve again to defend from the further encroachment of the bullshit worldview you support. At least the Green Prince was smart enough to figure it out.

yoavm 2y ago

This is getting a little ridiculous... Your question was what parts of the Quran could be considered controversial. I'm really not looking for religious explanations. If you cannot see why having a text that says Jews committed crimes and are cursed, even if it's actually about some very specific Jews in the past, then I guess we don't agree on the definition of "controversial".

bobxmax 2y ago
I don't think you know what anti-semitic means. That passage is talking about a very specific group of people and what happened to them. It has nothing to do with Jews in general as a race/people. Just because a sentence has the word "Jew" in it and isn't wildly positive doesn't automatically make it anti-semitic. There are other parts where it talks about Arabs who transgressed and were cursed - is the Qur'an now anti-Arab? Unfortunately this is the Islamophobic disinformation that's spread, primarily from 2 countries (Israel and India), and people like you happily parrot. I suspect this is because unlike Judaism, criticizing Islam/Muslims is socially acceptable. And again, nothing you said remotely compares to the Torah which calls for child rape, infanticide and genocide. Which was the point of my original comment. Agnostic West African with a partial doctorate in scriptural studies btw.
- pmarreck 2y ago
  > Just because a sentence has the word "Jew" in it and isn't wildly positive doesn't automatically make it anti-semitic. LOL, this is quite the impressive goalpost-moving. I'm sure all the terrorists who believe they will attain Jannat al-Firdous by becoming Shaheed while killing Israelis (thanks to Sunan Ibn Majah 2799, Book 24, Hadith 47) are making the same distinction you are. Quran 2:80, Quran 5:82, Quran 9:29, Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 176 and Sahih Muslim 41:6985 and Sahih al-Bukhari 3593 (of course), Surah 9:30 actually makes a provably false statement about Jewish belief, Surah 98:6... I can continue if you'd like, or you can continue to insist that the book is not only hugely anti-semitic but also anti-christian (although to an admittedly lesser degree) I am a complete skeptical agnostic at this point (although I was born Catholic). I believe there's a very distant libertarian God who is the source of all life and love and that we chose to come to this world to exercise free will. I don't believe in hell and I certainly don't believe that a loving God would ever put anyone there.
  - bobxmax 2y ago
    Good god what a stupid post. I knew I was in for a treat when you claimed a Hasan hadith was being used to justify murdering people, but then you followed it up with every verse you could find vaguely mentioning Jews and even some completely unrelated to them. It's like reading a fundie from Louisiana's "evidence" against vaccines on Facebook. "USAF Veteran" - OK makes sense now. You emptied your brain and drank the Kool-Aid a long time ago.
    - pmarreck 2y ago
      Only a person with weak arguments has to attack the person making them instead of the argument itself, so thanks for taking the L dude. The truth has finally come out. You are, in fact, the original moron. If you can’t tell that it’s all bullshit, then that’s exactly what you are. A loving God is not also a threatening and punitive one. Because that makes no sense to anyone with a brain who has decided to actually use it. You’re in a death cult, or a useful idiot supporting one, and furthermore, the defense of Western values, per your ignorant and naïve Air Force remark, is absolutely worth it, and to hell with anyone who disagrees. I would gladly serve again to defend from the further encroachment of the bullshit worldview you support. At least the Green Prince was smart enough to figure it out.