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Here's a little bit of perspective for everybody in this thread: A good friend of mine, who travels the world taking breathtaking photos [as in: this is what s

by blhack 14y ago

Here's a little bit of perspective for everybody in this thread: A good friend of mine, who travels the world taking breathtaking photos [as in: this is what she does to make her living] still hosts a lot of her photos on photobucket. Photobucket, if you're lucky enough to never have used it, is a mess. It downsizes your pictures dramatically, it makes directly linking to them difficult, the UI is ugly; it's terrible. When I ask her why she still uses it, she responds with "I don't know. I've always used it. It has all my photos." -- Guys, we're all programmers, or designers, or both. To my friend, the place where she stores her photos is barely an afterthought. If it can get to a point where she can send somebody a link and have them see a picture, then good. She doesn't care, because she's too busy out making new photos. WE care, because we spend our time making new websites, but don't get confused into thinking that the rest of the world (that would be: our potential users) care very much. They don't. People want an easy way to share photos that doesn't feel like it's getting in their way. Right now a lot of people are using facebook because it does that. They don't care if it downsizes everything, if somebody wants to original, they can send it to them.

edj 14y ago
> Guys, we're all programmers, or designers, or both. I'm quite certain HN participant aren't all programmers or designers. They're not all guys, either.
- blhack 14y ago
  "Guys" is the gender-neutral term for a group of mixed gender people. Here is an interesting discussion on the topic: http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/11816/is-guy-gender-neutral http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/11816/is-guy-gend... Also if this is confusing, I'd suggest taking classes on a language other than English. I know that at least in French, mixed-gender-groups take the masculine plural form. In fact, here is another discussion (same site): http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/19074/what-is-a-feminine-version-of-guys http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/19074/what-is-a-f... "Guys" can also refer to a group of women.
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  - panacea 14y ago
    I often leave work by saying 'cheers guys' or 'have a good evening guys' to a mixed gender group and then ponder in the elevator down if, perhaps, I've offended females with my casual nomenclature? I think it probably is slightly misogynistic. Not my personal intent, but inherited from history? What term could I use instead? 'Guys and Gals' seems old fashioned and too wordy. And the set order of the list might imply something. 'People' seems too cold. I reckon using "guys" as a gender-neutral term for a mixed gender bunch is ok.
    - batista 14y ago
      >I think it probably is slightly misogynistic. Not my personal intent, but inherited from history? Do you _hate_ women? If not, then it's not misogynistic. Enough already with the stupid guilt trips over everything and anything!
- Danieru 14y ago
  'Guys' is often used as gender neutral address to groups: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/guys http://www.thefreedictionary.com/guys
- batista 14y ago
  >I'm quite certain HN participant aren't all programmers or designers. They're not all guys, either. Wishful thinking aside, I would guess that the percentage that are not: "(programmers || designers) && guys" is insignificant. Care to start a poll?
jlarocco 14y ago
I don't know what point you're trying to make with the story about your friend. On one hand you're talking about your pro photographer friend, and then you're talking about people sharing photos on Facebook. They're entirely different use cases. There are already "pro" photo hosting sites that blow the socks off of Flickr, Picassa, and Photobucket. I use SmugMug, but there are others. The top tier SmugMug account is $150 a year and out of the box lets you price and sell photos and prints and a bunch of other stuff. Unless your friend sells directly to newspapers or magazines, I would expect she'd know of these "pro" sites. If she depends on photo hosting to make her living, I find it hard to believe she considers photo hosting an "afterthought." On the other hand, when she's just taking some casual photos, why wouldn't she use PhotoBucket or FaceBook? There's a huge difference between, "look at these stunning photos I'm trying to sell" and "Here we are partying last night."
- Domenic_S 14y ago
  > I don't know what point you're trying to make with the story about your friend. How'd you miss the point so hard? His anecdote was saying that the audience that should care the most about an amazing photo site and that produces by far the most amount of content for such a site doesn't actually care. His point is that us, the Internet Nerds, care more than the pro photogs. Whether that's true or not, I dunno. If I make my living selling photos, it might be better for me NOT to host them in full glorious resolution on Flickr.
mnutt 14y ago
On the other hand, a lot of people automatically assume that tasks are hard, when they could be a lot easier. I make a point to try and periodically ask the business people in my startup to show me their workflow in our software. Occasionally they've concocted elaborate workarounds for something that could be made straightforward with a bit of code. So it may be that "has all my photos" is more important than "is easy to use", but it's no excuse for Photobucket to not fix its issues. Because if you wait long enough, eventually ease of use will overcome "has all my photos". (Instagram)
user911302966 14y ago
Thanks for the perspective. All of us greatly needed your two cents as guidance. Travels the world taking photos... whoop-de-doo. That's been going on for decades, and only because technology has only recently made it possible. Post again when she does something original, like traveling the galaxy taking photos. Only then will whatever follows your first two sentences be read.

by blhack 14y ago

edj 14y ago

> Guys, we're all programmers, or designers, or both. I'm quite certain HN participant aren't all programmers or designers. They're not all guys, either.

blhack 14y ago
"Guys" is the gender-neutral term for a group of mixed gender people. Here is an interesting discussion on the topic: http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/11816/is-guy-gender-neutral http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/11816/is-guy-gend... Also if this is confusing, I'd suggest taking classes on a language other than English. I know that at least in French, mixed-gender-groups take the masculine plural form. In fact, here is another discussion (same site): http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/19074/what-is-a-feminine-version-of-guys http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/19074/what-is-a-f... "Guys" can also refer to a group of women.
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- panacea 14y ago
  I often leave work by saying 'cheers guys' or 'have a good evening guys' to a mixed gender group and then ponder in the elevator down if, perhaps, I've offended females with my casual nomenclature? I think it probably is slightly misogynistic. Not my personal intent, but inherited from history? What term could I use instead? 'Guys and Gals' seems old fashioned and too wordy. And the set order of the list might imply something. 'People' seems too cold. I reckon using "guys" as a gender-neutral term for a mixed gender bunch is ok.
  - batista 14y ago
    >I think it probably is slightly misogynistic. Not my personal intent, but inherited from history? Do you _hate_ women? If not, then it's not misogynistic. Enough already with the stupid guilt trips over everything and anything!
Danieru 14y ago
'Guys' is often used as gender neutral address to groups: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/guys http://www.thefreedictionary.com/guys
batista 14y ago
>I'm quite certain HN participant aren't all programmers or designers. They're not all guys, either. Wishful thinking aside, I would guess that the percentage that are not: "(programmers || designers) && guys" is insignificant. Care to start a poll?

jlarocco 14y ago

I don't know what point you're trying to make with the story about your friend. On one hand you're talking about your pro photographer friend, and then you're talking about people sharing photos on Facebook. They're entirely different use cases. There are already "pro" photo hosting sites that blow the socks off of Flickr, Picassa, and Photobucket. I use SmugMug, but there are others. The top tier SmugMug account is $150 a year and out of the box lets you price and sell photos and prints and a bunch of other stuff. Unless your friend sells directly to newspapers or magazines, I would expect she'd know of these "pro" sites. If she depends on photo hosting to make her living, I find it hard to believe she considers photo hosting an "afterthought." On the other hand, when she's just taking some casual photos, why wouldn't she use PhotoBucket or FaceBook? There's a huge difference between, "look at these stunning photos I'm trying to sell" and "Here we are partying last night."

Domenic_S 14y ago
> I don't know what point you're trying to make with the story about your friend. How'd you miss the point so hard? His anecdote was saying that the audience that should care the most about an amazing photo site and that produces by far the most amount of content for such a site doesn't actually care. His point is that us, the Internet Nerds, care more than the pro photogs. Whether that's true or not, I dunno. If I make my living selling photos, it might be better for me NOT to host them in full glorious resolution on Flickr.

mnutt 14y ago

On the other hand, a lot of people automatically assume that tasks are hard, when they could be a lot easier. I make a point to try and periodically ask the business people in my startup to show me their workflow in our software. Occasionally they've concocted elaborate workarounds for something that could be made straightforward with a bit of code. So it may be that "has all my photos" is more important than "is easy to use", but it's no excuse for Photobucket to not fix its issues. Because if you wait long enough, eventually ease of use will overcome "has all my photos". (Instagram)

user911302966 14y ago

Thanks for the perspective. All of us greatly needed your two cents as guidance. Travels the world taking photos... whoop-de-doo. That's been going on for decades, and only because technology has only recently made it possible. Post again when she does something original, like traveling the galaxy taking photos. Only then will whatever follows your first two sentences be read.