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Curious: What happens to a military service member who does this? Punished within the military and then booted out (and with what kind of discharge?) Or boot

Curious: What happens to a military service member who does this? Punished within the military and then booted out (and with what kind of discharge?) Or booted out first (with what kind of discharge?) and then punished in the regular civilian system? Or possibly even retained in the military?

christina97 2y ago
It’s called a court martial.
- oyashirochama 2y ago
  Courts martial, its weirdly plural since its a title/noun of something specific.
  - Symbiote 2y ago
    It's a court martial, since the use was singular. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court-martial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court-martial
xyst 2y ago
Probably sent here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Disciplinary_Barracks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Disciplinary_B... (Leavenworth)
- oyashirochama 2y ago
  Depends on length, if he's convicted for greater than I think 90 days, he'll be there, less it'll be base confinement usually to his dorms/barracks. They will likely just do a quick boot and access removal since it sounds like he was just a middleman. and a BCD discharge at worst, or other-than-honorable discharge.
bumby 2y ago
They are generally under the jurisdiction of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So usually punished and sentenced within the military and eventually separated with a bad conduct or other-than-honorable discharge. Dishonorable discharge is exceedingly rare.
- LanceH 2y ago
  If he was on base, probably UCMJ. If the crimes were committed entirely off base against non military victims, then probably civilian court, followed by additional UCMJ punishments and discharge. I had a roommate who got drunk and assaulted a cop (it went very badly for him). He remained in the military for his surgery and court time while confined to quarters, reduction to e-1, and forfeiture of pay. He had a civilian trial and was convicted and served 90 days. Then came back to be discharged. Oddly, I don't even know what discharge he received -- he was my roommate when he went out that night, and wasn't after that.
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  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    This is a serious NatSec/intelligence issue though… not punching a cop?
    - LanceH 2y ago
      My mention was that civilian prosecution is absolutely possible. Legal from both sides will work together on this. Given a guilty plea, both jurisdictions may agree for that to occur in one location or another. You'll see this a lot with DUI cases where it will be handled under UCMJ because it can be wrapped up in a week (with a plea). > leaking sensitive customer call records stolen earlier this year from AT&T and Verizon It says he was arrested for "two criminal counts of unlawful transfer of confidential phone records". This would seem to refer to "selling and leaking sensitive customer call records stolen earlier this year from AT&T and Verizon". No mention of arrest for the NSA hacking claims. Not much info in the article about lots of things which could impact this. First, it's in South Korea -- on base or off? Personal computer or government furnished equipment? What are the treaties in place for South Korea with regard to this? What is the location of the victims' data for this? Big things which could make this a UCMJ case would be (in my completely non-professional guess): He did it from somewhere on base. The victims were other military personnel. He used government equipment to do this. The US wants to assert jurisdiction according to a treaty. All of this said, with the NSA issue hanging over it, there may be efforts to use the more easily proved crime to negotiate everything they can learn about the NSA claims. tl;dnr - they can choose the jurisdiction. One side may assert priority and win (probably the feds). The only thing I'm certain of is that every enlisted member will be brought in for a safety brief.

christina97 2y ago

It’s called a court martial.

oyashirochama 2y ago
Courts martial, its weirdly plural since its a title/noun of something specific.
- Symbiote 2y ago
  It's a court martial, since the use was singular. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court-martial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court-martial

xyst 2y ago

Probably sent here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Disciplinary_Barracks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Disciplinary_B... (Leavenworth)

oyashirochama 2y ago
Depends on length, if he's convicted for greater than I think 90 days, he'll be there, less it'll be base confinement usually to his dorms/barracks. They will likely just do a quick boot and access removal since it sounds like he was just a middleman. and a BCD discharge at worst, or other-than-honorable discharge.

bumby 2y ago

They are generally under the jurisdiction of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So usually punished and sentenced within the military and eventually separated with a bad conduct or other-than-honorable discharge. Dishonorable discharge is exceedingly rare.

LanceH 2y ago
If he was on base, probably UCMJ. If the crimes were committed entirely off base against non military victims, then probably civilian court, followed by additional UCMJ punishments and discharge. I had a roommate who got drunk and assaulted a cop (it went very badly for him). He remained in the military for his surgery and court time while confined to quarters, reduction to e-1, and forfeiture of pay. He had a civilian trial and was convicted and served 90 days. Then came back to be discharged. Oddly, I don't even know what discharge he received -- he was my roommate when he went out that night, and wasn't after that.
- deleted 2y ago
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- llamaimperative 2y ago
  This is a serious NatSec/intelligence issue though… not punching a cop?
  - LanceH 2y ago
    My mention was that civilian prosecution is absolutely possible. Legal from both sides will work together on this. Given a guilty plea, both jurisdictions may agree for that to occur in one location or another. You'll see this a lot with DUI cases where it will be handled under UCMJ because it can be wrapped up in a week (with a plea). > leaking sensitive customer call records stolen earlier this year from AT&T and Verizon It says he was arrested for "two criminal counts of unlawful transfer of confidential phone records". This would seem to refer to "selling and leaking sensitive customer call records stolen earlier this year from AT&T and Verizon". No mention of arrest for the NSA hacking claims. Not much info in the article about lots of things which could impact this. First, it's in South Korea -- on base or off? Personal computer or government furnished equipment? What are the treaties in place for South Korea with regard to this? What is the location of the victims' data for this? Big things which could make this a UCMJ case would be (in my completely non-professional guess): He did it from somewhere on base. The victims were other military personnel. He used government equipment to do this. The US wants to assert jurisdiction according to a treaty. All of this said, with the NSA issue hanging over it, there may be efforts to use the more easily proved crime to negotiate everything they can learn about the NSA claims. tl;dnr - they can choose the jurisdiction. One side may assert priority and win (probably the feds). The only thing I'm certain of is that every enlisted member will be brought in for a safety brief.