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Mozilla Firefox 14.01 release notes...

85 points by 01Michael10 14y ago

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acidblue 14y ago
Is there something specific we are looking for? --Edit-- Oh, I think you meant to show how they display their release notes. Hinted from the previous comment.
Kliment 14y ago
I'm pretty happy about the click-to-plugin. I have to use java on two sites and absolutely hate it when any other page has java content. I already use flashblock to get this behavior with Flash, and having it for the media plugins would be great too.
- SaulOfTheJungle 14y ago
  I like it as well. For those who haven't turned it on: 1. Go to about:config 2. Set plugins.click_to_play to true
ward 14y ago
Why the "..." ? Am I missing something?
- miahi 14y ago
  Probably the "big" list of brand new things, like putting another letter ("s") in the call to Google Search, implementing full screen for some of the Apple users, and implementing a feature that was available via plugins (click to play) since version... probably 2 or 1, can't remember.
- mgunes 14y ago
  It probably implies "yet another Firefox release (without many significant user-facing changes)..." There seems to be a general grudge among somewhat technically-minded people against the entire phenomenon of new Firefox releases since Firefox switched to its frequent release model.
  - mbrubeck 14y ago
    I loved the official announcement of Chrome 20: http://chrome.blogspot.com/2012/06/yet-another-chrome-release.html http://chrome.blogspot.com/2012/06/yet-another-chrome-releas...
  - zalew 14y ago
    yeah, like there shouldn't be any release logs in shorter development cycles...
  - natrius 14y ago
    Once they stop publicizing version numbers, this will probably die down.
    - mbrubeck 14y ago
      For the past year, Mozilla has never mentioned version numbers in the official announcements of new Firefox releases. For example, the Firefox 14 announcement: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/07/17/new-security-and-developer-features-now-in-firefox/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/07/17/new-security-and-de...
      - natrius 14y ago
        Right, but the Firefox download page has the version number right on the download page. If/when auto-updating in the background works well, that should go away.
  - melling 14y ago
    Not at all. Most people don't care about the frequent updates. I certainly don't. I get a daily update. There's simply a section of the geek population that likes to whine loudly. If you don't like Firefox's update cycle switch to Chrome.
    - mgunes 14y ago
      If you read my comment slowly, you'll note that I didn't express any dissatisfaction with Firefox updates, and said "somewhat technically-minded people", which corresponds to your definition of "a section of the geek population".
MartinMond 14y ago
So does this now use SPDY to connect to Google's servers by default?
- mbrubeck 14y ago
  Yes, Firefox has SPDY enabled by default starting with 13.0: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/13.0/releasenotes/ http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/13.0/releasenotes/
- deleted 14y ago
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- udp 14y ago
  Not just Google's servers, but any server where SPDY is available (e.g. Twitter). This is handy: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/spdy-indicator/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/spdy-indicato...
  - notatoad 14y ago
    really though, just google's servers because google is the only spdy-enabled site where https is forced. twitter doesn't come in over spdy unless you type in https.
    - kalleboo 14y ago
      Twitter does have an "Always use HTTPS" option for when you're logged in.
  - mh- 14y ago
    here's a counterpart for Chrome if anyone's interested: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mpbpobfflnpcgagjijhmgnchggcjblin https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mpbpobfflnpcgagjij... I just installed it, seems to work as expected. Shows the indicator on both Google and Twitter
pasbesoin 14y ago
Favicons are not displaying in the address bar... erm, WonderBar or MarvelousBar or whatever it's called now... AwesomeBar? Anyway, they show up in the sidebar (e.g. a new bookmark) but not in the AwesomeBar. Maybe a an issue in combination with extension IdentFavIcon (0.3.4.7)? I know, HN is not a bug tracker. But since the thread's already here.
- darkstalker 14y ago
  They were disabled intentionally, now displays the "trusted" status. This was to avoid some malicious sites putting a lock icon, thus pretending to be "safe" sites
  - pasbesoin 14y ago
    I actually had a moment of speculation in that direction, but then figured that it would be contrary to the trends/momentum in... I don't know, "design" and "image" and, well, "looking pretty". Thanks for the information. And I'm kind of glad to read it. :-) P.S. Shame on me, for not looking further into the release notes -- although I did take an initial look but didn't note this change. P.P.S. http://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2012/06/site-identity-ui-updates/ http://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2012/06/site-identity-ui-updates/
masklinn 14y ago
> Full screen support for Mac OS X Lion implemented Aaaand fuck.
- grecy 14y ago
  I still don't get why everyone is so pissed off about fullscreen. OK, sure, with two monitors, it renders the second display useless. I get that. So why don't you just not use fullscreen mode, and continue doing everything you've been doing with dual monitors since the days of OS X 10.0 ? You lose nothing, and gain nothing, so it makes absolutely 0 difference in your workflow.
  - masklinn 14y ago
    > I still don't get why everyone is so pissed off about fullscreen 1. because it's garbage 2. because applications which used to have a working fullscreen mode — such as firefox — and get converted to the Lion API result in no gain and lots of pain > So why don't you just not use fullscreen mode, and continue doing everything you've been doing with dual monitors since the days of OS X 10.0 ? Like use fullscreen mode on Firefox, which has been there forever? Oh wait, now I can't. Just as I can't use fullscreen mode on, say, Quicktime X. Or have movies display on the big screen. I didn't really want them on the 27" anyway, the 15" is so much better isn't it? Pulls you closer to the screen, unless you don't care for the picture. > You lose nothing, and gain nothing, so it makes absolutely 0 difference in your workflow. Yes actually: Firefox still had a fullscreen mode which actually worked correctly. Now it does not, unless there is some sort of hidden setting able to toggle back to the "old" API as there is in VLC.
    - tapoxi 14y ago
      I'm going to try and counter this: >2. because applications which used to have a working fullscreen mode — such as firefox — and get converted to the Lion API result in no gain and lots of pain As a Macbook Pro user, I've been looking forward to Firefox's implementation for a while. Applications that take advantage of Lion's fullscreen API allow me to easily swipe between multiple apps with the trackpad, which make using a laptop significantly nicer without needing to use an external mouse. It is essentially broken for people who have multiple displays and Apple sucks because of it. But it's not broken for everyone and provides significant functionality for a lot of people.
manmal 14y ago
No Retina support :( There is a temporary fix for that, but it requires layers.acceleration to be disabled.
- tomflack 14y ago
  Well you saw how long it took to get OSX full-screen support. I wouldn't hold your breath about retina.
debacle 14y ago
Really excited about the pointer lock API. Makes the browser a viable gaming platform now. Edit: There appears to be a bug in the pointer lock code - not sure what's going on, but my mouse is getting locked into the wrong monitor if I move the Firefox window between monitors.
- J_Darnley 14y ago
  Now that sounds like it could be really annoying. Even more than websites saying "You may not right click".
  - azakai 14y ago
    This is very different. Preventing rightclick can be done silently, without the user intervening. Mouse lock, on the other hand, must be explicitly accepted by the user. In fact, the current implementation ties this to fullscreen, combining the prompts into one. In other words, the only way mouse lock will happen is if the user clicks on a button for fullscreen and then allows the site to use fullscreen+mouse lock. So there is very little risk of annoyance here like there is with rightclick prevention (but is still exactly what a first person shooter needs).
- azakai 14y ago
  This is the first browser to ship with this feature enabled, so overall the web isn't quite ready yet. But hopefully other browsers will follow suit soon.
- albertzeyer 14y ago
  In Chrome: Go to chrome://flags/ and enable it. Demo: http://media.tojicode.com/q3bsp/ http://media.tojicode.com/q3bsp/ Some docs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/API/Pointer_Lock_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en/API/Pointer_Lock_API http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/mouse-lock http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/mouse-lo...
- gioele 14y ago
  Yay, pointer grabs in user-supplied code! What could possibly go wrong? https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=x11+mouse+grabs+problems https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=x11+mouse+grabs+proble... For those not familiar with the problems: pointer grabs are notorious for being a pain to deal with. They have many strange corner cases and security problems. They also have weird interaction issues with things like modal windows, popups, screensavers and the like.
moreati 14y ago
Glad to see the screensaver/power save inhibit API https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697132 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697132. I was surprised when HTML5 <video> didn't do that from the start
- gioele 14y ago
  Yes, browsers should take responsibility for doing it without asking the web devs to handle it, with the possibility of messing it up. Operating systems have spent years dealing with power saving policies and application requests for keeping the display/disk/music/connection on. After about 10 years we are now reaching a point where all this have acceptable defaults and decent GUIs to change the settings to suit one's needs. Now all this will have to be redone again inside the browser. Shortly people will complain that the browser did not let the monitor sleep at the end of a video/movie. Or, in the future, that the browser did not prevent the computer from going to sleep while the music was playing AND that the browser let the computer to sleep while the music was playing.

85 points by 01Michael10 14y ago

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Is there something specific we are looking for? --Edit-- Oh, I think you meant to show how they display their release notes. Hinted from the previous comment.

Kliment 14y ago

I'm pretty happy about the click-to-plugin. I have to use java on two sites and absolutely hate it when any other page has java content. I already use flashblock to get this behavior with Flash, and having it for the media plugins would be great too.

SaulOfTheJungle 14y ago
I like it as well. For those who haven't turned it on: 1. Go to about:config 2. Set plugins.click_to_play to true

ward 14y ago

Why the "..." ? Am I missing something?

miahi 14y ago
Probably the "big" list of brand new things, like putting another letter ("s") in the call to Google Search, implementing full screen for some of the Apple users, and implementing a feature that was available via plugins (click to play) since version... probably 2 or 1, can't remember.
mgunes 14y ago
It probably implies "yet another Firefox release (without many significant user-facing changes)..." There seems to be a general grudge among somewhat technically-minded people against the entire phenomenon of new Firefox releases since Firefox switched to its frequent release model.
- mbrubeck 14y ago
  I loved the official announcement of Chrome 20: http://chrome.blogspot.com/2012/06/yet-another-chrome-release.html http://chrome.blogspot.com/2012/06/yet-another-chrome-releas...
- zalew 14y ago
  yeah, like there shouldn't be any release logs in shorter development cycles...
- natrius 14y ago
  Once they stop publicizing version numbers, this will probably die down.
  - mbrubeck 14y ago
    For the past year, Mozilla has never mentioned version numbers in the official announcements of new Firefox releases. For example, the Firefox 14 announcement: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/07/17/new-security-and-developer-features-now-in-firefox/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/07/17/new-security-and-de...
    - natrius 14y ago
      Right, but the Firefox download page has the version number right on the download page. If/when auto-updating in the background works well, that should go away.
- melling 14y ago
  Not at all. Most people don't care about the frequent updates. I certainly don't. I get a daily update. There's simply a section of the geek population that likes to whine loudly. If you don't like Firefox's update cycle switch to Chrome.
  - mgunes 14y ago
    If you read my comment slowly, you'll note that I didn't express any dissatisfaction with Firefox updates, and said "somewhat technically-minded people", which corresponds to your definition of "a section of the geek population".

MartinMond 14y ago

So does this now use SPDY to connect to Google's servers by default?

mbrubeck 14y ago
Yes, Firefox has SPDY enabled by default starting with 13.0: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/13.0/releasenotes/ http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/13.0/releasenotes/
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udp 14y ago
Not just Google's servers, but any server where SPDY is available (e.g. Twitter). This is handy: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/spdy-indicator/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/spdy-indicato...
- notatoad 14y ago
  really though, just google's servers because google is the only spdy-enabled site where https is forced. twitter doesn't come in over spdy unless you type in https.
  - kalleboo 14y ago
    Twitter does have an "Always use HTTPS" option for when you're logged in.
- mh- 14y ago
  here's a counterpart for Chrome if anyone's interested: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mpbpobfflnpcgagjijhmgnchggcjblin https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mpbpobfflnpcgagjij... I just installed it, seems to work as expected. Shows the indicator on both Google and Twitter

pasbesoin 14y ago

Favicons are not displaying in the address bar... erm, WonderBar or MarvelousBar or whatever it's called now... AwesomeBar? Anyway, they show up in the sidebar (e.g. a new bookmark) but not in the AwesomeBar. Maybe a an issue in combination with extension IdentFavIcon (0.3.4.7)? I know, HN is not a bug tracker. But since the thread's already here.

darkstalker 14y ago
They were disabled intentionally, now displays the "trusted" status. This was to avoid some malicious sites putting a lock icon, thus pretending to be "safe" sites
- pasbesoin 14y ago
  I actually had a moment of speculation in that direction, but then figured that it would be contrary to the trends/momentum in... I don't know, "design" and "image" and, well, "looking pretty". Thanks for the information. And I'm kind of glad to read it. :-) P.S. Shame on me, for not looking further into the release notes -- although I did take an initial look but didn't note this change. P.P.S. http://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2012/06/site-identity-ui-updates/ http://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2012/06/site-identity-ui-updates/

masklinn 14y ago

> Full screen support for Mac OS X Lion implemented Aaaand fuck.

grecy 14y ago
I still don't get why everyone is so pissed off about fullscreen. OK, sure, with two monitors, it renders the second display useless. I get that. So why don't you just not use fullscreen mode, and continue doing everything you've been doing with dual monitors since the days of OS X 10.0 ? You lose nothing, and gain nothing, so it makes absolutely 0 difference in your workflow.
- masklinn 14y ago
  > I still don't get why everyone is so pissed off about fullscreen 1. because it's garbage 2. because applications which used to have a working fullscreen mode — such as firefox — and get converted to the Lion API result in no gain and lots of pain > So why don't you just not use fullscreen mode, and continue doing everything you've been doing with dual monitors since the days of OS X 10.0 ? Like use fullscreen mode on Firefox, which has been there forever? Oh wait, now I can't. Just as I can't use fullscreen mode on, say, Quicktime X. Or have movies display on the big screen. I didn't really want them on the 27" anyway, the 15" is so much better isn't it? Pulls you closer to the screen, unless you don't care for the picture. > You lose nothing, and gain nothing, so it makes absolutely 0 difference in your workflow. Yes actually: Firefox still had a fullscreen mode which actually worked correctly. Now it does not, unless there is some sort of hidden setting able to toggle back to the "old" API as there is in VLC.
  - tapoxi 14y ago
    I'm going to try and counter this: >2. because applications which used to have a working fullscreen mode — such as firefox — and get converted to the Lion API result in no gain and lots of pain As a Macbook Pro user, I've been looking forward to Firefox's implementation for a while. Applications that take advantage of Lion's fullscreen API allow me to easily swipe between multiple apps with the trackpad, which make using a laptop significantly nicer without needing to use an external mouse. It is essentially broken for people who have multiple displays and Apple sucks because of it. But it's not broken for everyone and provides significant functionality for a lot of people.

manmal 14y ago

No Retina support :( There is a temporary fix for that, but it requires layers.acceleration to be disabled.

tomflack 14y ago
Well you saw how long it took to get OSX full-screen support. I wouldn't hold your breath about retina.

debacle 14y ago

Really excited about the pointer lock API. Makes the browser a viable gaming platform now. Edit: There appears to be a bug in the pointer lock code - not sure what's going on, but my mouse is getting locked into the wrong monitor if I move the Firefox window between monitors.

J_Darnley 14y ago
Now that sounds like it could be really annoying. Even more than websites saying "You may not right click".
- azakai 14y ago
  This is very different. Preventing rightclick can be done silently, without the user intervening. Mouse lock, on the other hand, must be explicitly accepted by the user. In fact, the current implementation ties this to fullscreen, combining the prompts into one. In other words, the only way mouse lock will happen is if the user clicks on a button for fullscreen and then allows the site to use fullscreen+mouse lock. So there is very little risk of annoyance here like there is with rightclick prevention (but is still exactly what a first person shooter needs).
azakai 14y ago
This is the first browser to ship with this feature enabled, so overall the web isn't quite ready yet. But hopefully other browsers will follow suit soon.
albertzeyer 14y ago
In Chrome: Go to chrome://flags/ and enable it. Demo: http://media.tojicode.com/q3bsp/ http://media.tojicode.com/q3bsp/ Some docs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/API/Pointer_Lock_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en/API/Pointer_Lock_API http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/mouse-lock http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/mouse-lo...
gioele 14y ago
Yay, pointer grabs in user-supplied code! What could possibly go wrong? https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=x11+mouse+grabs+problems https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=x11+mouse+grabs+proble... For those not familiar with the problems: pointer grabs are notorious for being a pain to deal with. They have many strange corner cases and security problems. They also have weird interaction issues with things like modal windows, popups, screensavers and the like.

moreati 14y ago

Glad to see the screensaver/power save inhibit API https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697132 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697132. I was surprised when HTML5 <video> didn't do that from the start

gioele 14y ago
Yes, browsers should take responsibility for doing it without asking the web devs to handle it, with the possibility of messing it up. Operating systems have spent years dealing with power saving policies and application requests for keeping the display/disk/music/connection on. After about 10 years we are now reaching a point where all this have acceptable defaults and decent GUIs to change the settings to suit one's needs. Now all this will have to be redone again inside the browser. Shortly people will complain that the browser did not let the monitor sleep at the end of a video/movie. Or, in the future, that the browser did not prevent the computer from going to sleep while the music was playing AND that the browser let the computer to sleep while the music was playing.