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I think you have the right idea. China has yet to truly flex its muscle. They prefer to quietly grow stronger. Their response to Covid with the largely successf

I think you have the right idea. China has yet to truly flex its muscle. They prefer to quietly grow stronger. Their response to Covid with the largely successful zero covid strategy gives a clue about the power of its government. Silly, you can’t become the champion without stepping into the ring.

daveguy 2y ago
Largely successful? I wouldn't confuse Chinese propaganda to the outside world with success.
- pphysch 2y ago
  The Chinese government treated the pandemic as a bioweapon attack by a foreign adversary engaged in a broader hybrid war, and it did so effectively.
  - daveguy 2y ago
    That's batshit insane.
    - pphysch 2y ago
      A country targeted in an ongoing hybrid war by the world's #1 superpower would have a (relatively) extreme response to a pandemic that originated in an epidemiologically interesting location deep in their inland territory, and that extreme response having any substantial national security impetuous is "batshit insane". Insightful contribution! A big country would never overreact to national security threats. We have the TSA to protect us from that :)
      - daveguy 2y ago
        I was referring to your characterization of the situation.
        pphysch 2y ago
        Another empty, dismissive comment. Why are you even commenting on this site?
opwieurposiu 2y ago
China creates a superbug via GOF research. Accidently releases it from the lab. Shuts down its own economy. Puts the majority of it's citizens on house arrest, and that is "largely successful"? Please send me the AliExpress link to whatever it is you are smoking, it must be some good shit. I think the real lesson here is that if you enough government power, there is no need to be competent. The feedback loop is destroyed so you can just do whatever random stupid thing you want until your country collapses like the USSR.
- vkou 2y ago
  > China creates a superbug via GOF research In 2024, this isn't fact, it's just baseless conspiracy. All evidence has ended up pointing to bush meat contamination.
  - int_19h 2y ago
    In 2024, zoonotic origin is considered more probable, but it is by no means a "baseless conspiracy" to believe otherwise.
    - antifa 2y ago
      More derailing than baseless, whether or not Xi did it on purpose or if the CIA did it or if aliens did it has no relevance to how they handed the event after it happened.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    The WHO report was inconclusive because the lab withheld data. This creates a bit of a catch-22, no? There's no basis to claim it was a lab leak because the lab in question won't cooperate with establishing whether there's a basis for the idea. It'd be one thing if the proper amount of research was done and made public and we could see that there was no conspiracy. As is, there's a lab located in Wuhan studying coronaviruses that pinky promises that they didn't start COVID-19, while the WHO director is on record saying that the lab blocked the WHO investigation that might have exonerated them. I think it's prudent to forgive people for whom "this is a baseless conspiracy theory" isn't a sufficient explanation. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-china-report-idUSKBN2BM26S/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-ch... https://doi.org/10.1136%2Fbmj.n1890 https://doi.org/10.1136%2Fbmj.n1890 https://apnews.com/article/health-china-coronavirus-pandemic-united-nations-a20391afec60601f3d666efc3c18b61d https://apnews.com/article/health-china-coronavirus-pandemic...

daveguy 2y ago

Largely successful? I wouldn't confuse Chinese propaganda to the outside world with success.

pphysch 2y ago
The Chinese government treated the pandemic as a bioweapon attack by a foreign adversary engaged in a broader hybrid war, and it did so effectively.
- daveguy 2y ago
  That's batshit insane.
  - pphysch 2y ago
    A country targeted in an ongoing hybrid war by the world's #1 superpower would have a (relatively) extreme response to a pandemic that originated in an epidemiologically interesting location deep in their inland territory, and that extreme response having any substantial national security impetuous is "batshit insane". Insightful contribution! A big country would never overreact to national security threats. We have the TSA to protect us from that :)
    - daveguy 2y ago
      I was referring to your characterization of the situation.
      - pphysch 2y ago
        Another empty, dismissive comment. Why are you even commenting on this site?

opwieurposiu 2y ago

China creates a superbug via GOF research. Accidently releases it from the lab. Shuts down its own economy. Puts the majority of it's citizens on house arrest, and that is "largely successful"? Please send me the AliExpress link to whatever it is you are smoking, it must be some good shit. I think the real lesson here is that if you enough government power, there is no need to be competent. The feedback loop is destroyed so you can just do whatever random stupid thing you want until your country collapses like the USSR.

vkou 2y ago
> China creates a superbug via GOF research In 2024, this isn't fact, it's just baseless conspiracy. All evidence has ended up pointing to bush meat contamination.
- int_19h 2y ago
  In 2024, zoonotic origin is considered more probable, but it is by no means a "baseless conspiracy" to believe otherwise.
  - antifa 2y ago
    More derailing than baseless, whether or not Xi did it on purpose or if the CIA did it or if aliens did it has no relevance to how they handed the event after it happened.
- lolinder 2y ago
  The WHO report was inconclusive because the lab withheld data. This creates a bit of a catch-22, no? There's no basis to claim it was a lab leak because the lab in question won't cooperate with establishing whether there's a basis for the idea. It'd be one thing if the proper amount of research was done and made public and we could see that there was no conspiracy. As is, there's a lab located in Wuhan studying coronaviruses that pinky promises that they didn't start COVID-19, while the WHO director is on record saying that the lab blocked the WHO investigation that might have exonerated them. I think it's prudent to forgive people for whom "this is a baseless conspiracy theory" isn't a sufficient explanation. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-china-report-idUSKBN2BM26S/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-ch... https://doi.org/10.1136%2Fbmj.n1890 https://doi.org/10.1136%2Fbmj.n1890 https://apnews.com/article/health-china-coronavirus-pandemic-united-nations-a20391afec60601f3d666efc3c18b61d https://apnews.com/article/health-china-coronavirus-pandemic...