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Obsidian is an Electron app (I don't know if it belongs to the Block editor category). It loads just as fast as your app. I tried copying and pasting the text f

Obsidian is an Electron app (I don't know if it belongs to the Block editor category). It loads just as fast as your app. I tried copying and pasting the text file War and Peace (66035 lines) from Notepad into both apps and, interestingly, Obsidian is slightly faster. Also, scrolling through this large chunk of text is slightly faster on Obsidian, too. Obsidian memory consumption (4 processes) is 172 MB and Daino Notes consumption (1 process) is 352.7 MB. Tested on Windows 11 PC.

rubymamis 2y ago
Obsidian is not a block editor. Can you put a Kanban or any other complex block in the middle of a document? From my understanding, you can't. Here's how to think of it: a block editor is a basically a virtualized list with dynamic loading, so it can load any arbitrary component *while* allowing the user to interact with the list as it was a singular piece of document - so you get text selection between these discrete blocks, editing, etc like you would in a regular text editor. Again, from my understanding, Obsidian is not that. If I remember correctly it is based on CodeMirror which is designed to only handle (EDIT: rich) text. Edit (addendum): BTW, I'm not sure your Obsidian RAM reading is correct, an empty instance of Obsidian with one note uses 285MB (all 4 processes together) on my machine (M1).
- mvladic 2y ago
  Here is the screenshot showing memory consumption of Obsidian (I did wait 30 seconds for memory to settle down after initial spike which was 240 MB): https://pasteboard.co/uW2lPNSbL7f7.png https://pasteboard.co/uW2lPNSbL7f7.png [EDIT] Here is memory consumption of Daino Notes: https://pasteboard.co/z5pciLoh99i6.png https://pasteboard.co/z5pciLoh99i6.png
  - rubymamis 2y ago
    This is what I get with an *empty* vault: https://pasteboard.co/N3IdNUKUUNKq.png https://pasteboard.co/N3IdNUKUUNKq.png EDIT: Btw, I do have plans to cut RAM usage significantly in Daino Notes (I focused more on load time and responsiveness). But getting back to my point - I can do these optimizations because those RAM inefficiencies are a result of my code, not some abstractions I can't change.
maratc 2y ago
> pasting the text file War and Peace (66035 lines) Funny, but how about a log of one Jenkins run weighting at - checking... - 630 MB? Or two of them so someone can compare them?
kebokyo 2y ago
Obsidian is the only Electron app I don’t despise. VSCode is close to counting… but it absolutely sucks on RAM usage, so I try to avoid it when I can.
- leptons 2y ago
  RAM is cheap, my time is not. VSCode is the best game in town (for me), and my 32GB computer has no problem with its RAM requirements. Even 8GB would be enough for VSCode depending on what else your toolchain requires.
  - hnthrowaway2376 2y ago
    > RAM is cheap RAM is cheap for you. It's always silly when people bring up their top-of-the-line computer into discussions about performance. Software shouldn't be just for the top 1%.
    - leptons 2y ago
      Apple RAM is expensive. Every other kind of RAM is pretty cheap. 32GB DDR4 can be had for under $30, and 16GB DDR4 can be had for about $25. I'm not sure who you think has a computer, is developing software, and can't afford that. Maybe someone in India, I guess. Too bad if that's you, but "top 1%" is a laughable claim when RAM is so cheap. 16GB of RAM is nowhere near "top of the line". You're just trolling here, "hnthrowaway2376". Let's say I spent $50 on 32GB of RAM. Over the lifetime of the computer that upgrade would cost ~$0.02 per day. Two pennies a day. And that's US prices, it can be less expensive elsewhere. I've used VSCode on a computer with 2GB of RAM, and it worked. I expected everything to run slower - and it did run slower, but it ran. And I developed, and contributed to the project I was working on while away from my workstation. This was a cheap $70 Windows 10 tablet. YMMV.
      - pjmlp 2y ago
        Not when it is soldered on a mobile phone, tablet or laptop, and getting more implies throwing away an otherwise perfectly working device.

rubymamis 2y ago

Obsidian is not a block editor. Can you put a Kanban or any other complex block in the middle of a document? From my understanding, you can't. Here's how to think of it: a block editor is a basically a virtualized list with dynamic loading, so it can load any arbitrary component *while* allowing the user to interact with the list as it was a singular piece of document - so you get text selection between these discrete blocks, editing, etc like you would in a regular text editor. Again, from my understanding, Obsidian is not that. If I remember correctly it is based on CodeMirror which is designed to only handle (EDIT: rich) text. Edit (addendum): BTW, I'm not sure your Obsidian RAM reading is correct, an empty instance of Obsidian with one note uses 285MB (all 4 processes together) on my machine (M1).

mvladic 2y ago
Here is the screenshot showing memory consumption of Obsidian (I did wait 30 seconds for memory to settle down after initial spike which was 240 MB): https://pasteboard.co/uW2lPNSbL7f7.png https://pasteboard.co/uW2lPNSbL7f7.png [EDIT] Here is memory consumption of Daino Notes: https://pasteboard.co/z5pciLoh99i6.png https://pasteboard.co/z5pciLoh99i6.png
- rubymamis 2y ago
  This is what I get with an *empty* vault: https://pasteboard.co/N3IdNUKUUNKq.png https://pasteboard.co/N3IdNUKUUNKq.png EDIT: Btw, I do have plans to cut RAM usage significantly in Daino Notes (I focused more on load time and responsiveness). But getting back to my point - I can do these optimizations because those RAM inefficiencies are a result of my code, not some abstractions I can't change.

maratc 2y ago

> pasting the text file War and Peace (66035 lines) Funny, but how about a log of one Jenkins run weighting at - checking... - 630 MB? Or two of them so someone can compare them?

kebokyo 2y ago

Obsidian is the only Electron app I don’t despise. VSCode is close to counting… but it absolutely sucks on RAM usage, so I try to avoid it when I can.

leptons 2y ago
RAM is cheap, my time is not. VSCode is the best game in town (for me), and my 32GB computer has no problem with its RAM requirements. Even 8GB would be enough for VSCode depending on what else your toolchain requires.
- hnthrowaway2376 2y ago
  > RAM is cheap RAM is cheap for you. It's always silly when people bring up their top-of-the-line computer into discussions about performance. Software shouldn't be just for the top 1%.
  - leptons 2y ago
    Apple RAM is expensive. Every other kind of RAM is pretty cheap. 32GB DDR4 can be had for under $30, and 16GB DDR4 can be had for about $25. I'm not sure who you think has a computer, is developing software, and can't afford that. Maybe someone in India, I guess. Too bad if that's you, but "top 1%" is a laughable claim when RAM is so cheap. 16GB of RAM is nowhere near "top of the line". You're just trolling here, "hnthrowaway2376". Let's say I spent $50 on 32GB of RAM. Over the lifetime of the computer that upgrade would cost ~$0.02 per day. Two pennies a day. And that's US prices, it can be less expensive elsewhere. I've used VSCode on a computer with 2GB of RAM, and it worked. I expected everything to run slower - and it did run slower, but it ran. And I developed, and contributed to the project I was working on while away from my workstation. This was a cheap $70 Windows 10 tablet. YMMV.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      Not when it is soldered on a mobile phone, tablet or laptop, and getting more implies throwing away an otherwise perfectly working device.