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If you tell the world that eggs are awesome while denying other countries access to eggs, they discover ways to use less eggs and eventually realize they don't

If you tell the world that eggs are awesome while denying other countries access to eggs, they discover ways to use less eggs and eventually realize they don't need eggs at all. Then you are stuck making Dennys breakfasts while the rest of the world is on to fine dining. China has incredibly strong incentives to do the pure research needed to break the current GPU-or-else lock. I hope, for science' sake, we dont end up gunning down each others mathematicians on the streets of Vienna like certain nuclear physicists seem to go.

djaouen 2y ago
> If you tell the world that eggs are awesome while denying other countries access to eggs, they discover ways to use less eggs You are confusing cause with effect. What actually happened: Nixon opened up US trade with China and, ever since, China has been stealing trade secrets to undermine and overthrow American interests. Limiting their access to eggs was literally us trying to prevent them from stealing all our shit!
- quantum_state 2y ago
  It seems to me that we forgot about the “stealing” of the “shit” from Europe and other places in the early days …
  - djaouen 2y ago
    Protip: Some of us were not involved in the desecration caused by the East India Tea Company. Just because we look British means we should suffer like them, too?
    - carom 2y ago
      They are referring to the fact that the US ignored European IP in its early days and relating that to what China is doing to the US now.
      - djaouen 2y ago
        I am just saying, this AI controversy has roots from before the creation of OpenAI. If OpenAI used European IP, I would think that would be a good thing for Europe, assuming AI is the future? Sorry for talking Ancient History lol
        skywhopper 2y ago
        What we call AI is not “the future”. But I’m not sure how OpenAI stealing European IP would help Europe, even if it is.
      - cced 2y ago
        What’s also funny is that the promoters of the “China is stealing all of our IP in exchange for their labor” folks never mention why corporations don’t just pull out? Are these IP thefts or technology transfers? If corporations are having their IP stolen, why don’t they just leave? These narratives never explain or mention this. Idk why people still latch onto them, they are completely uninteresting “China is stealing all our IP and there’s nothing we can do about it except for continuing to allow our IP to be stolen” is an IQ test and trope. Does “theft of IP” outweigh, or not, “access to very cheap labor (read: jobs)” ? We need to stop simping for corporations and start thinking critically about these things.
    - cma 2y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Samaritans_(book) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Samaritans_(book)
    - tchalla 2y ago
      What does your looks and involvement have to do with the parent comment’s core point?
      - djaouen 2y ago
        Nothing. I’m crazy, remember???
qwertox 2y ago
It remains to be seen how stable a totalitarian government can be. China has the benefit of having full control over its people and therefore gets to decide what is important and what not, and currently people are ok with handing that control over to the government. But it's also a very fragile state, which can only be retained through full repression.
- aaomidi 2y ago
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  - borski 2y ago
    We’ve seen a CEO shot, and the majority of people definitely don’t cheer it on; just a very vocal minority. Moreover, he may yet get the death penalty; I’m not sure I’d call that any more “fragile” than any other shooting.
    - dartos 2y ago
      Not to mention that that CEO was in health insurance. A very emotionally charged industry where someone’s life or death is directly affected by CEO decisions.
    - paganel 2y ago
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      - borski 2y ago
        That is simply not true. Moreover, this forum is not “targeted towards the well-off.” Out in the real world, Luigi is a criminal who shot a man in cold blood and sparked a conversation. That’s about it. Hardly a hero. And the majority of the populace does not agree with you.
        gr8joos 2y ago
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djaouen 2y ago

> If you tell the world that eggs are awesome while denying other countries access to eggs, they discover ways to use less eggs You are confusing cause with effect. What actually happened: Nixon opened up US trade with China and, ever since, China has been stealing trade secrets to undermine and overthrow American interests. Limiting their access to eggs was literally us trying to prevent them from stealing all our shit!

quantum_state 2y ago
It seems to me that we forgot about the “stealing” of the “shit” from Europe and other places in the early days …
- djaouen 2y ago
  Protip: Some of us were not involved in the desecration caused by the East India Tea Company. Just because we look British means we should suffer like them, too?
  - carom 2y ago
    They are referring to the fact that the US ignored European IP in its early days and relating that to what China is doing to the US now.
    - djaouen 2y ago
      I am just saying, this AI controversy has roots from before the creation of OpenAI. If OpenAI used European IP, I would think that would be a good thing for Europe, assuming AI is the future? Sorry for talking Ancient History lol
      - skywhopper 2y ago
        What we call AI is not “the future”. But I’m not sure how OpenAI stealing European IP would help Europe, even if it is.
    - cced 2y ago
      What’s also funny is that the promoters of the “China is stealing all of our IP in exchange for their labor” folks never mention why corporations don’t just pull out? Are these IP thefts or technology transfers? If corporations are having their IP stolen, why don’t they just leave? These narratives never explain or mention this. Idk why people still latch onto them, they are completely uninteresting “China is stealing all our IP and there’s nothing we can do about it except for continuing to allow our IP to be stolen” is an IQ test and trope. Does “theft of IP” outweigh, or not, “access to very cheap labor (read: jobs)” ? We need to stop simping for corporations and start thinking critically about these things.
  - cma 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Samaritans_(book) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Samaritans_(book)
  - tchalla 2y ago
    What does your looks and involvement have to do with the parent comment’s core point?
    - djaouen 2y ago
      Nothing. I’m crazy, remember???

qwertox 2y ago

It remains to be seen how stable a totalitarian government can be. China has the benefit of having full control over its people and therefore gets to decide what is important and what not, and currently people are ok with handing that control over to the government. But it's also a very fragile state, which can only be retained through full repression.

aaomidi 2y ago
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- borski 2y ago
  We’ve seen a CEO shot, and the majority of people definitely don’t cheer it on; just a very vocal minority. Moreover, he may yet get the death penalty; I’m not sure I’d call that any more “fragile” than any other shooting.
  - dartos 2y ago
    Not to mention that that CEO was in health insurance. A very emotionally charged industry where someone’s life or death is directly affected by CEO decisions.
  - paganel 2y ago
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    - borski 2y ago
      That is simply not true. Moreover, this forum is not “targeted towards the well-off.” Out in the real world, Luigi is a criminal who shot a man in cold blood and sparked a conversation. That’s about it. Hardly a hero. And the majority of the populace does not agree with you.
      - gr8joos 2y ago
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