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> I'm a tad more humble. Mentioned more than a dozen times in the kernel git log. Exceptionally humble, indeed. > You've never said how much time you've waste

by senko 2y ago

> I'm a tad more humble. Mentioned more than a dozen times in the kernel git log. Exceptionally humble, indeed. > You've never said how much time you've wasted fixing Linux or making software work. This comes up often and I'm always fascinated by the implied assumption that time isn't wasted fixing Windows or MacOS computers and making software work on those systems. The age-old "No, I will not fix your computer!" is not a Linux meme - in 99% of cases it refers to a Windows machine. We can trade anecdata until the heat death of the universe, and in fact you've nicely listed many of the pro/con points in your articles. However having read both versions (current/technical and final), I must agree with parent. This is just a rant from someone who likes Windows more. I also want to call out your "solving linux" section (in the technical article). You've listed basically the entire Ubuntu playbook (which is, btw, a UK company, not an African company). Mark "poached" debian developers (DDs), poured millions of his own money into it, spearheaded many of the desktop-specific innovations (now supplanted by other software, but Ubuntu provided the initial push), created an app store, did an enormous amount of work popularizing Linux specifically for the desktop, was the first to start "officially checked and approved" hardware list, etc. And the results show even if we don't attribute them to Ubuntu today, and even if we're using alternatives: Linux desktop today is a much smoother experience than 20 years ago. So, while I can sympathize with many of the points in your technical article (https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.t...) even if I do not agree with them, the linked one really seems like distillation to a "I like Windows more" rant.

itvision 2y ago
Could you be specific about what constitutes "a rant"? And no I've spent far less time "fixing" Windows. In fact I don't remember doing that ever. I've had multiple cases when Windows stopped booting and in absolute most of them I just had to reinstall the system from scratch. That's all "I've wasted". Linux on the other hand? "It works for you everything is made up in the article". Never mind how once I had to fix a glaring issue in the Linux kernel which rendered tens of thousands of systems unbootable and which took me over 24 hours of hard work to unravel. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206175 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206175 Yeah, indeed I've never had anything like that in Windows in 30+ years that I've been using it. Never once a Windows update rendered the system completely dead. And I'm not talking about my system, I talking about hundreds. Lastly I'm just a poor Linux kernel bugzilla maintainer who actually overlooks a lot of stuff and sees a staggering number of fixes in every stable Linux release. I follow way too many bug trackers and LKML as well. It's all good, please disperse.
- senko 2y ago
  > And no I've spent far less time "fixing" Windows. [...] I just had to reinstall the system from scratch. That's one way of dealing with it. > Never mind how once I had to fix a glaring issue in the Linux kernel which rendered tens of thousands of systems unbootable. You didn't have to fix it, you could've booted the old kernel. You chose to debug the issue and help. That's commendable, but do you think people (who work on Windows or hardware, or in IT departments in any organization) don't do that for Windows as well? > And I'm not talking about my system, I talking about hundreds. Is it tens of thousands, or hundreds? > Lastly I'm just a poor Linux kernel bugzilla maintainer who actually overlooks a lot of stuff and sees a staggering number of fixes in every stable Linux release. I follow way too many bug trackers and LKML as well. Well if you're Linux kernel bugzilla maintainer, it's natural that you see many more Linux bugs than Windows or MacOS bugs. Again, commendable that you choose to participate, help, and make it better! You choose to live on the bleeding edge, and so you bleed. But that's far from typical Linux desktop user experience. > Could you be specific about what constitutes "a rant"? Well, your entire comment is a rant: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rant https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rant You're obviously very passionate about, and involved with, Linux. But you also seem to hate it so I'm confused why do it? Buy a Mac, be happy, live and let live, etc.
  - itvision 2y ago
    > That's one way of dealing with it. Windows can be reinstalled, Linux bugs never go away by themselves. > You chose to debug the issue and help. No, people don't do that in Windows because Microsoft has much better QA/QC. Not a single Windows update since 1998 has rendered my system unbootable. Microsoft is certainly not perfect and Windows sometimes has regression but those normally affect very few people. > Is it tens of thousands, or hundreds? Windows installation user base: 2 billion. Linux: 40 million. Have fun with mental gymnastics. > You choose to live on the bleeding edge, and so you bleed. There's a huge number of bugs affecting "stable" Linux distros that use "stable" software including the kernel. Linux bugs are not specific to the bleeding edge but they are more prominent. Here: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219638 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219638 > Well, your entire comment is a rant: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rant https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rant This is not a counter argument and I will not waste any more of my time with you. Try using the dictionary argument with your children, "You are a retard, my boy! Why? Look it up in the Merriam Webster dictionary, that's why".

by senko 2y ago

itvision 2y ago

Could you be specific about what constitutes "a rant"? And no I've spent far less time "fixing" Windows. In fact I don't remember doing that ever. I've had multiple cases when Windows stopped booting and in absolute most of them I just had to reinstall the system from scratch. That's all "I've wasted". Linux on the other hand? "It works for you everything is made up in the article". Never mind how once I had to fix a glaring issue in the Linux kernel which rendered tens of thousands of systems unbootable and which took me over 24 hours of hard work to unravel. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206175 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206175 Yeah, indeed I've never had anything like that in Windows in 30+ years that I've been using it. Never once a Windows update rendered the system completely dead. And I'm not talking about my system, I talking about hundreds. Lastly I'm just a poor Linux kernel bugzilla maintainer who actually overlooks a lot of stuff and sees a staggering number of fixes in every stable Linux release. I follow way too many bug trackers and LKML as well. It's all good, please disperse.

senko 2y ago
> And no I've spent far less time "fixing" Windows. [...] I just had to reinstall the system from scratch. That's one way of dealing with it. > Never mind how once I had to fix a glaring issue in the Linux kernel which rendered tens of thousands of systems unbootable. You didn't have to fix it, you could've booted the old kernel. You chose to debug the issue and help. That's commendable, but do you think people (who work on Windows or hardware, or in IT departments in any organization) don't do that for Windows as well? > And I'm not talking about my system, I talking about hundreds. Is it tens of thousands, or hundreds? > Lastly I'm just a poor Linux kernel bugzilla maintainer who actually overlooks a lot of stuff and sees a staggering number of fixes in every stable Linux release. I follow way too many bug trackers and LKML as well. Well if you're Linux kernel bugzilla maintainer, it's natural that you see many more Linux bugs than Windows or MacOS bugs. Again, commendable that you choose to participate, help, and make it better! You choose to live on the bleeding edge, and so you bleed. But that's far from typical Linux desktop user experience. > Could you be specific about what constitutes "a rant"? Well, your entire comment is a rant: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rant https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rant You're obviously very passionate about, and involved with, Linux. But you also seem to hate it so I'm confused why do it? Buy a Mac, be happy, live and let live, etc.
- itvision 2y ago
  > That's one way of dealing with it. Windows can be reinstalled, Linux bugs never go away by themselves. > You chose to debug the issue and help. No, people don't do that in Windows because Microsoft has much better QA/QC. Not a single Windows update since 1998 has rendered my system unbootable. Microsoft is certainly not perfect and Windows sometimes has regression but those normally affect very few people. > Is it tens of thousands, or hundreds? Windows installation user base: 2 billion. Linux: 40 million. Have fun with mental gymnastics. > You choose to live on the bleeding edge, and so you bleed. There's a huge number of bugs affecting "stable" Linux distros that use "stable" software including the kernel. Linux bugs are not specific to the bleeding edge but they are more prominent. Here: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219638 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219638 > Well, your entire comment is a rant: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rant https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rant This is not a counter argument and I will not waste any more of my time with you. Try using the dictionary argument with your children, "You are a retard, my boy! Why? Look it up in the Merriam Webster dictionary, that's why".