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>NATO is not at war. People aren't dying. Ahem, NATO countries are assisting Ukraine in drone and missile attacks on Russia as we speak and foolishly floating

>NATO is not at war. People aren't dying. Ahem, NATO countries are assisting Ukraine in drone and missile attacks on Russia as we speak and foolishly floating the idea of adding Ukraine to NATO. Russian leadership has repeatedly said stuff along the lines of "Make no mistake, we are at war with NATO because Ukraine alone doesn't have the capabilities to do what it's been doing to attack us." So yes, NATO is essentially at war.

quickthrowman 2y ago
> foolishly floating the idea of adding Ukraine to NATO Nobody in NATO is seriously suggesting Ukraine be added to NATO, especially right now.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  They have been floating the idea ever since before the war started. Now there is some backpedaling of course. Here's some propaganda from 2 weeks ago: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-would-happen-if-ukraine-joined-nato-2024-12-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-would-happen-if-uk... >While eastern European countries say some sort of a road map should be offered to Kyiv at a NATO summit in Vilnius on Tuesday and Wednesday, the United States and Germany are wary of any move that might take the alliance closer to war with Russia. "Some" of NATO is clearly on board with it. The article says that the support must be unanimous, but I think we know who really runs NATO. At any rate, "some" of NATO is not "nobody in NATO" as you said. I could swear I hear these people talk about the issue every month or so.
  - quickthrowman 2y ago
    > They have been floating the idea Please be more specific than ‘they’. I’ll also remind you that journalists do not make policy, and policymakers don’t give a shit about journalists unless they’re trying to plant a story beneficial to them. > "Some" of NATO is clearly on board with it. The article says that the support must be unanimous, but I think we know who really runs NATO. At any rate, "some" of NATO is not "nobody in NATO" as you said. I could swear I hear these people talk about the issue every month or so. From the article you linked, emphasis mine: ‘While eastern European countries say some sort of a road map should be offered to Kyiv at a NATO summit in Vilnius on Tuesday and Wednesday, the United States and Germany are wary of any move that might take the alliance closer to war with Russia.’ It doesn’t matter if Poland and Lithuania want Ukraine in NATO, lmao. The US is NATO, and they’re not going to admit a country into NATO that is currently at war with Russia, it would immediately trigger Article V… which would either destroy NATO, or the world. Even if Ukraine won the war and Russia retreated, there is far too much corruption in Ukraine for it to seriously be considered for NATO and EU at this point in time.

quickthrowman 2y ago

> foolishly floating the idea of adding Ukraine to NATO Nobody in NATO is seriously suggesting Ukraine be added to NATO, especially right now.

wakawaka28 2y ago
They have been floating the idea ever since before the war started. Now there is some backpedaling of course. Here's some propaganda from 2 weeks ago: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-would-happen-if-ukraine-joined-nato-2024-12-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-would-happen-if-uk... >While eastern European countries say some sort of a road map should be offered to Kyiv at a NATO summit in Vilnius on Tuesday and Wednesday, the United States and Germany are wary of any move that might take the alliance closer to war with Russia. "Some" of NATO is clearly on board with it. The article says that the support must be unanimous, but I think we know who really runs NATO. At any rate, "some" of NATO is not "nobody in NATO" as you said. I could swear I hear these people talk about the issue every month or so.
- quickthrowman 2y ago
  > They have been floating the idea Please be more specific than ‘they’. I’ll also remind you that journalists do not make policy, and policymakers don’t give a shit about journalists unless they’re trying to plant a story beneficial to them. > "Some" of NATO is clearly on board with it. The article says that the support must be unanimous, but I think we know who really runs NATO. At any rate, "some" of NATO is not "nobody in NATO" as you said. I could swear I hear these people talk about the issue every month or so. From the article you linked, emphasis mine: ‘While eastern European countries say some sort of a road map should be offered to Kyiv at a NATO summit in Vilnius on Tuesday and Wednesday, the United States and Germany are wary of any move that might take the alliance closer to war with Russia.’ It doesn’t matter if Poland and Lithuania want Ukraine in NATO, lmao. The US is NATO, and they’re not going to admit a country into NATO that is currently at war with Russia, it would immediately trigger Article V… which would either destroy NATO, or the world. Even if Ukraine won the war and Russia retreated, there is far too much corruption in Ukraine for it to seriously be considered for NATO and EU at this point in time.