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In my opinion, the browser has been much better since 2017/2018. Have you used it in the last few years? Complaints about Firefox aside, the Manifest V3/uBlock

In my opinion, the browser has been much better since 2017/2018. Have you used it in the last few years? Complaints about Firefox aside, the Manifest V3/uBlock Origin issue should be a major concern for tech-savvy Chromium-based browser users.

silisili 2y ago
I was a hardcore Firefox user for many years. Today, Chrome just blows it away. Platforms are Android and Gnome Desktop. I tried Firefox again about once a year, up until about 2022, and left disappointed again each time. Rust was important. Servo too. I'm not just hopping on the 'Mozilla blows money' train for no reason, I'm sad to see the browser languish while they blow money on things that don't matter. This doesn't matter. I use Brave now, which has a whole host of haters, some for good reason. But it blocks ads and runs circles around Firefox on every platform that I use.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  You didn't use Firefox in the last three years, and you claim that Chrome/Brave (still) blows it away. Interesting.
  - silisili 2y ago
    Fair. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 12 times or so shame on me. /s, kinda. The OP claimed it got better in 2017, and it didn't meet my standards. But I'm honest that I haven't tried it in 2 years. If some news or person came out to suggest something big changed and I should try it again, I will. Otherwise I'm just wasting time for no reason.
    - bayindirh 2y ago
      As a person who never used Chrome in a capacity to replace Firefox (I just refused to give up), I'll just share this [0]. As I understand, no amount of words can convince you because I neither know what your standards are, nor I have the right words to convince you to try Firefox again. So, you have to give it a try and see it for yourself. As a matter of principle, I'd never use a browser which is funded by an advertisement company which lives off my data to show me ads and rob me of my privacy and cognitive capacity. In my book, Brave is even worse on that matter. Edit: To clarify: I still have Chrome installed for the odd, unmaintained site which happens to require something Chrome specific, but I just don't open it, since Firefox works for everything and works very well. [0]: https://arewefastyet.com/win11/benchmarks/overview?numDays=60 https://arewefastyet.com/win11/benchmarks/overview?numDays=6...
      - KORraN 2y ago
        I just checked these benchmarks results few days ago - am I reading this wrong or (apart from Assorted DOM) Firefox loses in most of the tests?
        bayindirh 2y ago
        The problem is, benchmarks are never a fair game. It's the nature of the benchmark as a genre. You can always bias a benchmark towards some code path to show that you're superior. Also, there are other factors to consider: - Some of the benchmarks are "lower is better", so reading Y axis is important. - Some results are very close (e.g. speedometer), but the zoom makes difference bigger, so reading the Y numbers again is important. So, Firefox beats Chrome on WebAudio, StyleBench, AssortedDOM. However, this is still "benchmarks", The real world performance is very, very close. The bigger picture is, when you look at longer histories, the performance is still being tuned and improved. So, Firefox people are not sitting on what they have. Lastly, Firefox is way more sensitive to DNS response time when compared to Chrome, and a crowded site makes tons of requests. A fast DNS makes a ton of difference, which is way overlooked. I used to run a DNSMasq instance when my ISP DNS was very slow. Now, my routers have their own tuned DNSMasq instances, so DNS is instant, so Firefox is as well.
      - bowsamic 2y ago
        > As a matter of principle, I'd never use a browser which is funded by an advertisement company which lives off my data to show me ads and rob me of my privacy and cognitive capacity. You can’t use Firefox either then
        bayindirh 2y ago
        I can disable all its telemetry, and change my search engine. It becomes a box which receives but never emits. Plus, I don't use its Mozilla build, but its Debian build.
        bowsamic 2y ago
    - Vinnl 2y ago
      Still upcoming (already in Nightly), but I'm very excited about vertical tabs, tab grouping, and a better profile UI. And proper uBlock Origin support is table stakes for me.
      - bayindirh 2y ago
        Considering the Profile UI is basically the same since Netscape days, a revamp of this is a bit overdue. Just a bit though. :)
        Vinnl 2y ago
        Absolutely. It's looking really good in Nightly though.
slightwinder 2y ago
Better does not mean good. Quantum indeed fixed many of their old performance-problems, but at the same time they lost so many in terms of ability, and performance still feels second rate compared to Chrome. But to be fair, this also depends on what you do with them. And yes, I do use them both.

silisili 2y ago

I was a hardcore Firefox user for many years. Today, Chrome just blows it away. Platforms are Android and Gnome Desktop. I tried Firefox again about once a year, up until about 2022, and left disappointed again each time. Rust was important. Servo too. I'm not just hopping on the 'Mozilla blows money' train for no reason, I'm sad to see the browser languish while they blow money on things that don't matter. This doesn't matter. I use Brave now, which has a whole host of haters, some for good reason. But it blocks ads and runs circles around Firefox on every platform that I use.

bayindirh 2y ago
You didn't use Firefox in the last three years, and you claim that Chrome/Brave (still) blows it away. Interesting.
- silisili 2y ago
  Fair. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 12 times or so shame on me. /s, kinda. The OP claimed it got better in 2017, and it didn't meet my standards. But I'm honest that I haven't tried it in 2 years. If some news or person came out to suggest something big changed and I should try it again, I will. Otherwise I'm just wasting time for no reason.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    As a person who never used Chrome in a capacity to replace Firefox (I just refused to give up), I'll just share this [0]. As I understand, no amount of words can convince you because I neither know what your standards are, nor I have the right words to convince you to try Firefox again. So, you have to give it a try and see it for yourself. As a matter of principle, I'd never use a browser which is funded by an advertisement company which lives off my data to show me ads and rob me of my privacy and cognitive capacity. In my book, Brave is even worse on that matter. Edit: To clarify: I still have Chrome installed for the odd, unmaintained site which happens to require something Chrome specific, but I just don't open it, since Firefox works for everything and works very well. [0]: https://arewefastyet.com/win11/benchmarks/overview?numDays=60 https://arewefastyet.com/win11/benchmarks/overview?numDays=6...
    - KORraN 2y ago
      I just checked these benchmarks results few days ago - am I reading this wrong or (apart from Assorted DOM) Firefox loses in most of the tests?
      - bayindirh 2y ago
        The problem is, benchmarks are never a fair game. It's the nature of the benchmark as a genre. You can always bias a benchmark towards some code path to show that you're superior. Also, there are other factors to consider: - Some of the benchmarks are "lower is better", so reading Y axis is important. - Some results are very close (e.g. speedometer), but the zoom makes difference bigger, so reading the Y numbers again is important. So, Firefox beats Chrome on WebAudio, StyleBench, AssortedDOM. However, this is still "benchmarks", The real world performance is very, very close. The bigger picture is, when you look at longer histories, the performance is still being tuned and improved. So, Firefox people are not sitting on what they have. Lastly, Firefox is way more sensitive to DNS response time when compared to Chrome, and a crowded site makes tons of requests. A fast DNS makes a ton of difference, which is way overlooked. I used to run a DNSMasq instance when my ISP DNS was very slow. Now, my routers have their own tuned DNSMasq instances, so DNS is instant, so Firefox is as well.
    - bowsamic 2y ago
      > As a matter of principle, I'd never use a browser which is funded by an advertisement company which lives off my data to show me ads and rob me of my privacy and cognitive capacity. You can’t use Firefox either then
      - bayindirh 2y ago
        I can disable all its telemetry, and change my search engine. It becomes a box which receives but never emits. Plus, I don't use its Mozilla build, but its Debian build.
        bowsamic 2y ago
  - Vinnl 2y ago
    Still upcoming (already in Nightly), but I'm very excited about vertical tabs, tab grouping, and a better profile UI. And proper uBlock Origin support is table stakes for me.
    - bayindirh 2y ago
      Considering the Profile UI is basically the same since Netscape days, a revamp of this is a bit overdue. Just a bit though. :)
      - Vinnl 2y ago
        Absolutely. It's looking really good in Nightly though.

slightwinder 2y ago

Better does not mean good. Quantum indeed fixed many of their old performance-problems, but at the same time they lost so many in terms of ability, and performance still feels second rate compared to Chrome. But to be fair, this also depends on what you do with them. And yes, I do use them both.