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> Most apps/DEs/etc. use either GTK or Qt. Which version of GTK? 2, 3, 4? Which version of Qt? 2, 3, 4, 5, 6? What about X11/Wayland/Win32 compatibility? Oh,

> Most apps/DEs/etc. use either GTK or Qt. Which version of GTK? 2, 3, 4? Which version of Qt? 2, 3, 4, 5, 6? What about X11/Wayland/Win32 compatibility? Oh, it's a$$. And who will maintain/rewrite the source code? Win32 on the other hand? Except for the introduction of Unicode friendly functions it's remained the same for almost 30 years.

t_mahmood 2y ago
You're just a hater. I have to use Windows to test my apps, and each and every time it just infuriates me with ads and cluster fuck UI, constant notifications of different products, ads in start menu. It's only consistent on delivering ads, not how the user interface is organized How you have to tweak registry to remove the ad, but still can't get rid of OneDrives reminder, and then comes the forced updates. Settings are spread in between millions of places, extremely confusing, and twisted. Search results are random, what the hell?! Can't even run the most used app with confidence, from search. Which is just a absurd. Managing software, is freaking pain. Everything is everywhere, no proper centralization whatsoever. choco is good, but its cli, with which people have so much issues with. And I have seen people suffering with bugs that was never solved, I had to setup another file browser just so the client can use his computer. Otherwise, it would take hours to load a simple folder. The default Editor have no syntax hi lighting whatsoever, so streamlined developers, can't even provide a good editor, that could be compared with the most basic editor coming with gnome. Windows is just not usable, and in my way, it's only feeding on the legacy, the apps. But Linux becoming much better now
- itvision 2y ago
  > You're just a hater. Yeah, with hundreds of contributions to multiple Linux projects including the Linux kernel, GCC, KDE, Wine, etc. A total hater. > How you have to tweak registry to remove the ad, but still can't get rid of OneDrives reminder, and then comes the forced updates. Takes roughly 2 minutes, ok. > Settings are spread in between millions of places, extremely confusing, and twisted. Not sure what you mean. In Linux settings are spread all over UI, /etc /home/.config /home/.app etc. etc. etc. And you need to learn shell and console editors to configure stuff. > Search results are random, what the hell?! Can't even run the most used app with confidence, from search. Which is just a absurd. Search is not even available for multiple Linux DEs. > Managing software, is freaking pain. Everything is everywhere, no proper centralization whatsoever. choco is good, but its cli, with which people have so much issues with. MSI and GPO exist. Most serious applications nowadays have auto-updaters. Others often need no updates. > Windows is just not usable, and in my way, it's only feeding on the legacy, the apps. Works near perfectly for 2 billion users. > But Linux becoming much better now Barely works for its 40 million users, riddled with bugs/regressions and missing features.
  - ryao 2y ago
    How does one make hundreds of contributions to a number of important projects yet be so woefully ignorant about things as you are? In this discussion, you have claimed that Qt is under the GPL, said that running old software on Linux systems is impossible, claimed Windows runs near perfectly and said that Linux barely works. All of that is provably false. Here is one of many examples of Windows having profound issues where Linux systems do the right thing: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/02/15/microsoft-acknowledges-serious-windows-10-update-bug-that-removes-your-files-and-profile/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/02/15/micro... That is far from near perfectly and there are many severe issues that have plagued Windows systems over the years if you take the time to look. By the way, those auto-updaters you mention waste system resources. Linux systems use package managers that prevent you from having O(n) auto-updaters consuming resources all the time.
    - itvision 2y ago
      https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/licensing.html https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/licensing.html Now, https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LGPLStaticVsDynamic https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LGPLStaticVsDynami... > For the purpose of complying with the LGPL (any extant version: v2, v2.1 or v3): > If you statically link against an LGPLed library, you _must_ also provide your application in _an object_ (not necessarily source) format, so that a user has the opportunity to modify the library and relink the application. Basically not a single software developer is going to go through these hoops to link with LGPL statically. I don't care about theory crafting. Linux has been there for over 30 years now. Show me the applications that comply with that. I dare you. Actually I know a single example (!) and that's proprietary NVIDIA drivers. Not an application BTW. You cannot imagine how difficult Linux kernel developers have made life for NVIDIA. Yeah, there's a huge object file to be linked with the kernel. Other examples? None. In Windows you compile a driver and have it work flawlessly for at least a decade. Sorry, I'm done with you. You're now baselessly and shamelessly accusing me of lying where a simple Google search reveals everything I say is true. Windows requires none of this crap. What's funny is that Win32 is the only stable Linux API. Not even glibc provides it. What's even more funnier is that DirectX is still a far more richer set of APIs than what Linux provides despite Open Source making it as hard as possible to link to it. And basically no one does. With most laptops and pre-assembled PCs Windows comes for "free" (included in the cost). If you're a builder, you can get a Windows license for a low as $10 and live happily ever after and use your old applications including I don't know Adobe Photoshop CS2 released ... almost 20 years ago. Still works fine in Windows 11. Merry Christmas.

t_mahmood 2y ago

You're just a hater. I have to use Windows to test my apps, and each and every time it just infuriates me with ads and cluster fuck UI, constant notifications of different products, ads in start menu. It's only consistent on delivering ads, not how the user interface is organized How you have to tweak registry to remove the ad, but still can't get rid of OneDrives reminder, and then comes the forced updates. Settings are spread in between millions of places, extremely confusing, and twisted. Search results are random, what the hell?! Can't even run the most used app with confidence, from search. Which is just a absurd. Managing software, is freaking pain. Everything is everywhere, no proper centralization whatsoever. choco is good, but its cli, with which people have so much issues with. And I have seen people suffering with bugs that was never solved, I had to setup another file browser just so the client can use his computer. Otherwise, it would take hours to load a simple folder. The default Editor have no syntax hi lighting whatsoever, so streamlined developers, can't even provide a good editor, that could be compared with the most basic editor coming with gnome. Windows is just not usable, and in my way, it's only feeding on the legacy, the apps. But Linux becoming much better now

itvision 2y ago
> You're just a hater. Yeah, with hundreds of contributions to multiple Linux projects including the Linux kernel, GCC, KDE, Wine, etc. A total hater. > How you have to tweak registry to remove the ad, but still can't get rid of OneDrives reminder, and then comes the forced updates. Takes roughly 2 minutes, ok. > Settings are spread in between millions of places, extremely confusing, and twisted. Not sure what you mean. In Linux settings are spread all over UI, /etc /home/.config /home/.app etc. etc. etc. And you need to learn shell and console editors to configure stuff. > Search results are random, what the hell?! Can't even run the most used app with confidence, from search. Which is just a absurd. Search is not even available for multiple Linux DEs. > Managing software, is freaking pain. Everything is everywhere, no proper centralization whatsoever. choco is good, but its cli, with which people have so much issues with. MSI and GPO exist. Most serious applications nowadays have auto-updaters. Others often need no updates. > Windows is just not usable, and in my way, it's only feeding on the legacy, the apps. Works near perfectly for 2 billion users. > But Linux becoming much better now Barely works for its 40 million users, riddled with bugs/regressions and missing features.
- ryao 2y ago
  How does one make hundreds of contributions to a number of important projects yet be so woefully ignorant about things as you are? In this discussion, you have claimed that Qt is under the GPL, said that running old software on Linux systems is impossible, claimed Windows runs near perfectly and said that Linux barely works. All of that is provably false. Here is one of many examples of Windows having profound issues where Linux systems do the right thing: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/02/15/microsoft-acknowledges-serious-windows-10-update-bug-that-removes-your-files-and-profile/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/02/15/micro... That is far from near perfectly and there are many severe issues that have plagued Windows systems over the years if you take the time to look. By the way, those auto-updaters you mention waste system resources. Linux systems use package managers that prevent you from having O(n) auto-updaters consuming resources all the time.
  - itvision 2y ago
    https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/licensing.html https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/licensing.html Now, https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LGPLStaticVsDynamic https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LGPLStaticVsDynami... > For the purpose of complying with the LGPL (any extant version: v2, v2.1 or v3): > If you statically link against an LGPLed library, you _must_ also provide your application in _an object_ (not necessarily source) format, so that a user has the opportunity to modify the library and relink the application. Basically not a single software developer is going to go through these hoops to link with LGPL statically. I don't care about theory crafting. Linux has been there for over 30 years now. Show me the applications that comply with that. I dare you. Actually I know a single example (!) and that's proprietary NVIDIA drivers. Not an application BTW. You cannot imagine how difficult Linux kernel developers have made life for NVIDIA. Yeah, there's a huge object file to be linked with the kernel. Other examples? None. In Windows you compile a driver and have it work flawlessly for at least a decade. Sorry, I'm done with you. You're now baselessly and shamelessly accusing me of lying where a simple Google search reveals everything I say is true. Windows requires none of this crap. What's funny is that Win32 is the only stable Linux API. Not even glibc provides it. What's even more funnier is that DirectX is still a far more richer set of APIs than what Linux provides despite Open Source making it as hard as possible to link to it. And basically no one does. With most laptops and pre-assembled PCs Windows comes for "free" (included in the cost). If you're a builder, you can get a Windows license for a low as $10 and live happily ever after and use your old applications including I don't know Adobe Photoshop CS2 released ... almost 20 years ago. Still works fine in Windows 11. Merry Christmas.