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For those wondering, this uses cloud-hosted AI models. But it's completely free to use so Mozilla is just paying the cloud bills out of pocket. Maybe not the be

For those wondering, this uses cloud-hosted AI models. But it's completely free to use so Mozilla is just paying the cloud bills out of pocket. Maybe not the best idea given their increasingly precarious financial situation?

janice1999 2y ago
I never understood why Mozilla doesn't offer paid privacy respecting services (outside basic sync that already exists) like email, cross platform password storage etc.
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  Because everyone who cares about it is already using some sort of a service like that, and it’s incredibly niche market so it’s not worth the effort to develop and support such projects.
  - kelvinjps10 2y ago
    But imagine if Mozilla would have done this before, like capturing the market now proton has
- sieabahlpark 2y ago
  It's almost like... They're owned by Google and don't really compete or something... Gee, fucking wow, it's almost as if it's plain a day why they've sucked as a corp, non profit, and culturally for a decade at this point.
- anyfactor 2y ago
  Mozilla should have been doing what Proton is doing. But considering how far Proton has gone I wouldn't be surprised if Proton spun up their own browser at this point.
- Qem 2y ago
  I think password storage is covered by Firefox sync.
  - mdaniel 2y ago
    Only within the confines of web usage, unless you know something about Firefox Sync injecting passwords into Android apps or environment variables Also, like it or not, I think Passkeys/WebAuthn is going to be pushed more and more, so without a user focused way to own them, that's another reason not to try and use a browser (any of them!) as a password store
- flessner 2y ago
  Not using services funded by Google is pretty high on my personal privacy checklist. Also, they offer some services (like VPN, Relay, Pocket) that usually end up as annoying bloatware in Firefox.
koolala 2y ago
Don't worry, the money will gravitate back towards Mozilla because AI = Search.
- hu3 2y ago
  I doubt this will ever happen. The minute Mozilla starts being relevant in search, Google will cut their billions USD/year sponsorship, killing Mozilla in the process. The incentives are not there.
  - endofreach 2y ago
    > The minute Mozilla starts being relevant in search, Google will cut their billions USD/year sponsorship, killing Mozilla in the process. The incentives are not there. Google needs mozilla more than anyone. It would be a big win for the web if google stopped financing mozilla and had to deal with the consequences.
    - reissbaker 2y ago
      Why does Google need Mozilla at this point? Firefox has 2.6% market share. Sure, I imagine the cost/benefit ratio is slightly positive for Google, but Mozilla needs Google since that's the majority of their revenue; the reverse is definitely not true.
      - likeabatterycar 2y ago
        Mozilla is like the legit side business the Mafia uses for taxes, group health benefits, etc. and to give an air of legitimacy to their operation. Google needs Mozilla to exist to prove on paper they don't hold a monopoly with Chrome.
        scq 2y ago
        Safari and Edge have larger market shares, they don't need Firefox for that.
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janice1999 2y ago

I never understood why Mozilla doesn't offer paid privacy respecting services (outside basic sync that already exists) like email, cross platform password storage etc.

tokioyoyo 2y ago
Because everyone who cares about it is already using some sort of a service like that, and it’s incredibly niche market so it’s not worth the effort to develop and support such projects.
- kelvinjps10 2y ago
  But imagine if Mozilla would have done this before, like capturing the market now proton has
sieabahlpark 2y ago
It's almost like... They're owned by Google and don't really compete or something... Gee, fucking wow, it's almost as if it's plain a day why they've sucked as a corp, non profit, and culturally for a decade at this point.
anyfactor 2y ago
Mozilla should have been doing what Proton is doing. But considering how far Proton has gone I wouldn't be surprised if Proton spun up their own browser at this point.
Qem 2y ago
I think password storage is covered by Firefox sync.
- mdaniel 2y ago
  Only within the confines of web usage, unless you know something about Firefox Sync injecting passwords into Android apps or environment variables Also, like it or not, I think Passkeys/WebAuthn is going to be pushed more and more, so without a user focused way to own them, that's another reason not to try and use a browser (any of them!) as a password store
flessner 2y ago
Not using services funded by Google is pretty high on my personal privacy checklist. Also, they offer some services (like VPN, Relay, Pocket) that usually end up as annoying bloatware in Firefox.

koolala 2y ago

Don't worry, the money will gravitate back towards Mozilla because AI = Search.

hu3 2y ago
I doubt this will ever happen. The minute Mozilla starts being relevant in search, Google will cut their billions USD/year sponsorship, killing Mozilla in the process. The incentives are not there.
- endofreach 2y ago
  > The minute Mozilla starts being relevant in search, Google will cut their billions USD/year sponsorship, killing Mozilla in the process. The incentives are not there. Google needs mozilla more than anyone. It would be a big win for the web if google stopped financing mozilla and had to deal with the consequences.
  - reissbaker 2y ago
    Why does Google need Mozilla at this point? Firefox has 2.6% market share. Sure, I imagine the cost/benefit ratio is slightly positive for Google, but Mozilla needs Google since that's the majority of their revenue; the reverse is definitely not true.
    - likeabatterycar 2y ago
      Mozilla is like the legit side business the Mafia uses for taxes, group health benefits, etc. and to give an air of legitimacy to their operation. Google needs Mozilla to exist to prove on paper they don't hold a monopoly with Chrome.
      - scq 2y ago
        Safari and Edge have larger market shares, they don't need Firefox for that.

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