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Crazy? To be fair, the minimum bar in American society these days is pretty dang low. Don’t steal, don’t rape, don’t physically assault, don’t walk nude on the

by aksss 2y ago

Crazy? To be fair, the minimum bar in American society these days is pretty dang low. Don’t steal, don’t rape, don’t physically assault, don’t walk nude on the sidewalk, don’t poop on the floor of the grocery store, leave the kids alone. With these simple tricks you can largely be ignored to be the “you” which you want to be.

mmooss 2y ago
This discussion and what happens in reality shows the opposite: Being unhoused, having a drug addiction, being perceived as having mental health issues, lack of cleanliness, etc. is all treated as deserving of hate and being a target of oppression - people here are openly calling for oppression - and being treated as a criminal.
- aksss 2y ago
  I think you're mistaking society targeting the outcomes and behaviors of vagrancy, to which addiction and mental health can lead (theft, pooping in the wrong places). The social glare starts earlier because of a pretty reliable correlation. That's less about intentional cruelty and more about saving the ship.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    One justification after another to abuse people, is what I read. > pretty reliable correlation I have yet to see that correlation. To my eye, there is a correlation between some things and a lack of housing. For example, access to bathrooms. But the obsession with poop is becoming childish; poop - gross! In all my time in cities, I don't know that I've ever seen it. I don't know that it's a common problem, but just a dramatic example that advocates like to pull out. > That's less about intentional cruelty and more about saving the ship. First, people here are openly embracing cruelty. Second, 'unintentional cruely' would be a highly immature, irresponsible concept. I think 'saving the ship' is greatly exaggerating the risks in order to justify the abuse. It's a very serious thing to take away someone's inherent, inalienable freedom.

by aksss 2y ago

mmooss 2y ago

This discussion and what happens in reality shows the opposite: Being unhoused, having a drug addiction, being perceived as having mental health issues, lack of cleanliness, etc. is all treated as deserving of hate and being a target of oppression - people here are openly calling for oppression - and being treated as a criminal.

aksss 2y ago
I think you're mistaking society targeting the outcomes and behaviors of vagrancy, to which addiction and mental health can lead (theft, pooping in the wrong places). The social glare starts earlier because of a pretty reliable correlation. That's less about intentional cruelty and more about saving the ship.
- mmooss 2y ago
  One justification after another to abuse people, is what I read. > pretty reliable correlation I have yet to see that correlation. To my eye, there is a correlation between some things and a lack of housing. For example, access to bathrooms. But the obsession with poop is becoming childish; poop - gross! In all my time in cities, I don't know that I've ever seen it. I don't know that it's a common problem, but just a dramatic example that advocates like to pull out. > That's less about intentional cruelty and more about saving the ship. First, people here are openly embracing cruelty. Second, 'unintentional cruely' would be a highly immature, irresponsible concept. I think 'saving the ship' is greatly exaggerating the risks in order to justify the abuse. It's a very serious thing to take away someone's inherent, inalienable freedom.