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The main issue I've seen is that public services are underfunded. How do you explain Vancouver or Stockholm’s homeless populations? Those famously underfunded

The main issue I've seen is that public services are underfunded. How do you explain Vancouver or Stockholm’s homeless populations? Those famously underfunded Swedish and Canadian welfare states? Some people just can’t wait to spend other people’s money and aren’t too picky about whether or not it’ll accomplish anything.

piva00 2y ago
To be honest, homelessness in Stockholm is really, really low. The very few homeless I see here are in a couple of spots in the city (mainly by Östermalmstorgs t-bana) are there by choice and go into shelters most nights. I don't ever see homeless people in tents or anything similar.
- bradleyjg 2y ago
  I was there a little under a decade and saw plenty of vagrants. Not comparable to sf or anything but they were there. If you’ve cleared it all up since then, kudos. But I don’t think it’s because public services were underfunded back then.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    Your evidence is some anecodtal experience from a decade ago? How do you know the causes of what you remember seeing?
  - piva00 2y ago
    What kind of vagrants? There used to be tons of roma people panhandling but they aren't homeless, and since the pandemic they're much less numerous (I'd guess I see less than a 1/5 of what I used to). I really don't think you saw "plenty" of homeless on the streets here, not now and not a decade ago. Panhandlers, beggars, etc. do exist but they aren't homeless. I do not trust your anecdotal experience, not saying the issue doesn't exist but it's not even close to a problem and orders of magnitude less than anything I've experienced traveling in the USA, around the Bay Area, Texas (Austin/Dallas), New York, Portland, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, and a few other places had a very acute and visible issue with homelessness that's incomparable with Stockholm. So yes, public services being properly funded help a lot.
mmooss 2y ago
> Some people just can’t wait to spend other people’s money and aren’t too picky about whether or not it’ll accomplish anything What value does that have? You must have something valuable to contribute.
- bradleyjg 2y ago
  I suggest you peruse Matthew 7:5. I have nothing further to say to you.
  - xcrunner529 2y ago
    Are you literally citing a religious text for policy in a free country? Lmao.

piva00 2y ago

To be honest, homelessness in Stockholm is really, really low. The very few homeless I see here are in a couple of spots in the city (mainly by Östermalmstorgs t-bana) are there by choice and go into shelters most nights. I don't ever see homeless people in tents or anything similar.

bradleyjg 2y ago
I was there a little under a decade and saw plenty of vagrants. Not comparable to sf or anything but they were there. If you’ve cleared it all up since then, kudos. But I don’t think it’s because public services were underfunded back then.
- mmooss 2y ago
  Your evidence is some anecodtal experience from a decade ago? How do you know the causes of what you remember seeing?
- piva00 2y ago
  What kind of vagrants? There used to be tons of roma people panhandling but they aren't homeless, and since the pandemic they're much less numerous (I'd guess I see less than a 1/5 of what I used to). I really don't think you saw "plenty" of homeless on the streets here, not now and not a decade ago. Panhandlers, beggars, etc. do exist but they aren't homeless. I do not trust your anecdotal experience, not saying the issue doesn't exist but it's not even close to a problem and orders of magnitude less than anything I've experienced traveling in the USA, around the Bay Area, Texas (Austin/Dallas), New York, Portland, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, and a few other places had a very acute and visible issue with homelessness that's incomparable with Stockholm. So yes, public services being properly funded help a lot.

mmooss 2y ago

> Some people just can’t wait to spend other people’s money and aren’t too picky about whether or not it’ll accomplish anything What value does that have? You must have something valuable to contribute.

bradleyjg 2y ago
I suggest you peruse Matthew 7:5. I have nothing further to say to you.
- xcrunner529 2y ago
  Are you literally citing a religious text for policy in a free country? Lmao.