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Not nasty, a fair observation even if over generalizing. Let’s not shy away from the reality. Yes, mementos of past lives and paperwork do exist as a fractional

by aksss 2y ago

Not nasty, a fair observation even if over generalizing. Let’s not shy away from the reality. Yes, mementos of past lives and paperwork do exist as a fractional though important part of the whole, but the point that by volume much of the material in an encampment is stolen is not nasty, but reflected by any visual tour. If you’ve been through the experience of having anything and everything gradually stolen out of your yard and car if it’s not bolted down, with the police not giving a flying F about your loss or the problem systemically, it’s annoying to listen to such deference and enablement. That frustration isn’t the best guiding light for policy, but being dismissive of it or shaming the contributing elements of society into not expressing the frustrations they live with is not a healthy way to address the problem either.

giraffe_lady 2y ago
> If you’ve been through the experience of having anything and everything gradually stolen out of your yard and car if it’s not bolted down, with the police not giving a flying F about your loss or the problem systemically, I've been through the experience of being homeless. I have some opinions about the degree to which the police cared about my problems too. I once stole a tarp out of a yard in the face of an incoming blizzard I was hoping to survive. My sympathies are never going to be with the yard guardians here.
- aksss 2y ago
  Not many people would begrudge a tarp to a person in need, if asked, and the reality is that most theft of other peoples’ belongings absolutely doesn’t happen under such a circumstance. Framing the problem as such is a self-deluding and dishonest application of exceptional circumstances to the whole. Also, there’s probably at least a little room for reflection about how you wound up in the situation where your very survival depended upon stealing from others, why you chose not to knock on the door and ask, and the choices you made to get out of such life circumstances.
  - giraffe_lady 2y ago
    The first time I slept on the street was during middle school. The reflection we need to be doing is how we've created these circumstances, and why we allow people to continue to suffer them. This is your world too.
    - NicholasGurr 2y ago
      [flagged]
lantry 2y ago
> reflected by any visual tour Can you explain how to visually determine the ownership of a given item? What visual distinction is there between something that is rightfully theirs, something that was stolen, and something that was picked out of the trash?
- aksss 2y ago
  e.g., a pile of empty exchangeable propane tanks, spraypainted bicycles. IYKYK

by aksss 2y ago

giraffe_lady 2y ago

> If you’ve been through the experience of having anything and everything gradually stolen out of your yard and car if it’s not bolted down, with the police not giving a flying F about your loss or the problem systemically, I've been through the experience of being homeless. I have some opinions about the degree to which the police cared about my problems too. I once stole a tarp out of a yard in the face of an incoming blizzard I was hoping to survive. My sympathies are never going to be with the yard guardians here.

aksss 2y ago
Not many people would begrudge a tarp to a person in need, if asked, and the reality is that most theft of other peoples’ belongings absolutely doesn’t happen under such a circumstance. Framing the problem as such is a self-deluding and dishonest application of exceptional circumstances to the whole. Also, there’s probably at least a little room for reflection about how you wound up in the situation where your very survival depended upon stealing from others, why you chose not to knock on the door and ask, and the choices you made to get out of such life circumstances.
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  The first time I slept on the street was during middle school. The reflection we need to be doing is how we've created these circumstances, and why we allow people to continue to suffer them. This is your world too.
  - NicholasGurr 2y ago
    [flagged]

lantry 2y ago

> reflected by any visual tour Can you explain how to visually determine the ownership of a given item? What visual distinction is there between something that is rightfully theirs, something that was stolen, and something that was picked out of the trash?

aksss 2y ago
e.g., a pile of empty exchangeable propane tanks, spraypainted bicycles. IYKYK