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You need reference materials to learn both of them. The Python example looks more like English, but anybody who assumes it works like English and tries to modif

by mrob 2y ago

You need reference materials to learn both of them. The Python example looks more like English, but anybody who assumes it works like English and tries to modify it will quickly find it doesn't work like that. The experience could be more discouraging than seeing a mysterious BASIC keyword. BASIC has the advantage that you don't need to read so much reference material because it's a simpler language. Well-written printed manuals for BASIC were widely available.

bryanrasmussen 2y ago
I suppose I did not explain that I know all that, but be reassured - I too am an old person. However assuming an intelligent youngster familiar with English I don't think such a hypothetical person would assume it works like English because some things might remind them of English - given that there is quite a bit that is obviously different than English. It would take a very strange intelligence to look at their first programming language and say, huh this thing that makes a computer draw a line has some words like English uses but it is obviously not English, I will try to modify it like English. After all - Python is not Cobol. I suppose someone with a desire to learn might do so quicker with BASIC, but I am only supposing that seeing the Python code might make them think I CAN LEARN - and sometimes the idea I can learn is the parent of the desire to learn.
- marcus0x62 2y ago
  Hi, author of the original post here. I think I mostly agree with this. My frame of mind when writing this was about starting from scratch, without an existing mental model of computers, or much outside help. Despite the odd syntax (by modern standards,) I just think there was less cognitive load to get started with the old 8 bit BASICs, and they all had the sorts of things kids like to experiment with (sound, graphics) built in. I also wasn’t thinking about this from the perspective of the tooling discouraging someone from wanting to learn - that just wasn’t a problem my friends and I had, but I can see how the modern tools could be more likely to inspire someone on the fence to continue. Anyway, thanks for the comment.

by mrob 2y ago

bryanrasmussen 2y ago

I suppose I did not explain that I know all that, but be reassured - I too am an old person. However assuming an intelligent youngster familiar with English I don't think such a hypothetical person would assume it works like English because some things might remind them of English - given that there is quite a bit that is obviously different than English. It would take a very strange intelligence to look at their first programming language and say, huh this thing that makes a computer draw a line has some words like English uses but it is obviously not English, I will try to modify it like English. After all - Python is not Cobol. I suppose someone with a desire to learn might do so quicker with BASIC, but I am only supposing that seeing the Python code might make them think I CAN LEARN - and sometimes the idea I can learn is the parent of the desire to learn.

marcus0x62 2y ago
Hi, author of the original post here. I think I mostly agree with this. My frame of mind when writing this was about starting from scratch, without an existing mental model of computers, or much outside help. Despite the odd syntax (by modern standards,) I just think there was less cognitive load to get started with the old 8 bit BASICs, and they all had the sorts of things kids like to experiment with (sound, graphics) built in. I also wasn’t thinking about this from the perspective of the tooling discouraging someone from wanting to learn - that just wasn’t a problem my friends and I had, but I can see how the modern tools could be more likely to inspire someone on the fence to continue. Anyway, thanks for the comment.