> Oracle were the prime. They were a disgrace I think I may have actually been working on the project you are talking about from the Oracle side. I think many

> Oracle were the prime. They were a disgrace I think I may have actually been working on the project you are talking about from the Oracle side. I think many of us tried our very best as individuals. I was never on it full-time, I worked for Oracle engineering but they'd sometimes send us on-site at big customers to fix problems when they blew up. It can be a lot easier to debug a customer's problem when you have the source code right in front of you.