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Plenty of sources on the correlation of various socioeconomic factors with violence and gun violence. Pubmed is a good starting point. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.

Plenty of sources on the correlation of various socioeconomic factors with violence and gun violence. Pubmed is a good starting point. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35546249/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35546249/

gruez 2y ago
That study doesn't have any mention of controls in the abstract. Therefore it can't prove a casual link. For instance, it could be the case that rich people with the means flee more violent areas, and/or that less violent people are more successful in life, which allows them resources to escape violent areas, and that's responsible for the correlation, rather than "socioeconomic factors" making people more violent.
- giantg2 2y ago
  "That study doesn't have any mention of controls in the abstract." Yeah, it's an abstract... the point is, there are studies you can go look up.
  - gruez 2y ago
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    - giantg2 2y ago
      Lol I'm trying to help you help yourself. I'm not doing all the work for you. I've seen enough studies to convince me but don't have them handy. I could tell you to go read American Homicide and others to understand the historical trends. You're arguing that they aren't related. Do you have studies proving your side? Just saying they aren't related isn't actual proof. Your argument must also meet a burden of proof as absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I've provided a study. Care to provide a counter?
      - gruez 2y ago
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        giantg2 2y ago
        Looks like maybe the stats were added later in an edit, as I didn't see them. Comparing stats from separate countries is terrible. This has no control for any of the other possible factors associated. Those aren't studies, but just random stats. I at least offered a study. I didn't offer any "flak", but a starting point for you with a source.
        gruez 2y ago
        >Comparing stats from separate countries is terrible. This has no control for any of the other possible factors associated. Those aren't studies, but just random stats. I at least offered a study. Comparing between countries is "terrible" because "there's no control for any of the other possible factors associated", but the study you offered which also seemingly has no controls is fine... because "starting point"?
        giantg2 2y ago
        You only looked at the abstract. Go look at the study instead of making up claims about lack of controls.

gruez 2y ago

That study doesn't have any mention of controls in the abstract. Therefore it can't prove a casual link. For instance, it could be the case that rich people with the means flee more violent areas, and/or that less violent people are more successful in life, which allows them resources to escape violent areas, and that's responsible for the correlation, rather than "socioeconomic factors" making people more violent.

giantg2 2y ago
"That study doesn't have any mention of controls in the abstract." Yeah, it's an abstract... the point is, there are studies you can go look up.
- gruez 2y ago
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  - giantg2 2y ago
    Lol I'm trying to help you help yourself. I'm not doing all the work for you. I've seen enough studies to convince me but don't have them handy. I could tell you to go read American Homicide and others to understand the historical trends. You're arguing that they aren't related. Do you have studies proving your side? Just saying they aren't related isn't actual proof. Your argument must also meet a burden of proof as absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I've provided a study. Care to provide a counter?
    - gruez 2y ago
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      - giantg2 2y ago
        Looks like maybe the stats were added later in an edit, as I didn't see them. Comparing stats from separate countries is terrible. This has no control for any of the other possible factors associated. Those aren't studies, but just random stats. I at least offered a study. I didn't offer any "flak", but a starting point for you with a source.
        gruez 2y ago
        >Comparing stats from separate countries is terrible. This has no control for any of the other possible factors associated. Those aren't studies, but just random stats. I at least offered a study. Comparing between countries is "terrible" because "there's no control for any of the other possible factors associated", but the study you offered which also seemingly has no controls is fine... because "starting point"?
        giantg2 2y ago
        You only looked at the abstract. Go look at the study instead of making up claims about lack of controls.