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(C) crazed gunman neutralized by good guy with gun. In this case it was 3 minutes after the fact (Median Police Response Time to Active Shooter Attacks) rather

(C) crazed gunman neutralized by good guy with gun. In this case it was 3 minutes after the fact (Median Police Response Time to Active Shooter Attacks) rather than immediately as there were no available Good Guys with Guns due to gun policies. I would never ever choose to be involved in an active shooter situation but if I were I’d surely want to be armed rather than not.

ceejayoz 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvalde_school_shooting#Timeline_of_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvalde_school_shooting#Timelin... 11:30am: First 911 call. 11:31am: Officer arrives at school. One minute police response time, by your metric. ~80 minutes later, the ~400 very well armed cops on scene managed to finally go in.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  Well the "good guy with a gun" argument presumes the good guy is willing to use his gun and probably risk his own life doing it. This would happen more easily if he's already inside and under direct threat by the bad guy(s). A cop outside is not obligated or expected to put his own life at risk. He's expected to show up for work tomorrow.
  - roamerz 2y ago
    Yup agree 100% with the first statement. I do not agree with the second at all. Law Enforcement are both obligated and expected to put their own life at risk protecting the public. That said they are also expected to show up for work tomorrow! It’s a sad day when they don’t.
    - dmoy 2y ago
      Ok, but in the US they are not obligated to do that. It's been put forth to the Supreme Court at least once. A cop can be at the scene of you getting actively murdered and do nothing about it, and legally the cop is ok. Morally, you could definitely argue they're not okay.
      - dmoy 2y ago
        > Supreme Court 1981 Warren v. District of Columbia 2005 Castle Rock v. Gonzales
- roamerz 2y ago
  Yeah that was horrible and a bad day for everyone. I was referring to instances where LE does their job correctly.

ceejayoz 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvalde_school_shooting#Timeline_of_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvalde_school_shooting#Timelin... 11:30am: First 911 call. 11:31am: Officer arrives at school. One minute police response time, by your metric. ~80 minutes later, the ~400 very well armed cops on scene managed to finally go in.

SoftTalker 2y ago
Well the "good guy with a gun" argument presumes the good guy is willing to use his gun and probably risk his own life doing it. This would happen more easily if he's already inside and under direct threat by the bad guy(s). A cop outside is not obligated or expected to put his own life at risk. He's expected to show up for work tomorrow.
- roamerz 2y ago
  Yup agree 100% with the first statement. I do not agree with the second at all. Law Enforcement are both obligated and expected to put their own life at risk protecting the public. That said they are also expected to show up for work tomorrow! It’s a sad day when they don’t.
  - dmoy 2y ago
    Ok, but in the US they are not obligated to do that. It's been put forth to the Supreme Court at least once. A cop can be at the scene of you getting actively murdered and do nothing about it, and legally the cop is ok. Morally, you could definitely argue they're not okay.
    - dmoy 2y ago
      > Supreme Court 1981 Warren v. District of Columbia 2005 Castle Rock v. Gonzales
roamerz 2y ago
Yeah that was horrible and a bad day for everyone. I was referring to instances where LE does their job correctly.